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	<title>Comments on: A Spoiler reader&#8217;s open letter to Gareth Barry</title>
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		<title>By: Pacino</title>
		<link>http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/2008/06/12/a-spoiler-readers-open-letter-to-gareth-barry/#comment-5514</link>
		<dc:creator>Pacino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure Barry is what Liverpool need - to be fair. I think he will be a certain loss to Villa but I am not convinced he is the &#039;gain&#039; that Liverpool need. I also agree with Martin - it all seems a bit desperate at LFC. Almost as desperate as the pathetic taunts from people like Phil. Lots of bravado and hot air but nothing really convincing. Like Phil above, Liverpool don&#039;t really pose a threat. It&#039;s as if the future seems murky and in doubt and it&#039;s like the death of the Roman Empire... one last charge before the end. Every Empire has to end. Let&#039;s see what the future holds!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure Barry is what Liverpool need &#8211; to be fair. I think he will be a certain loss to Villa but I am not convinced he is the &#8216;gain&#8217; that Liverpool need. I also agree with Martin &#8211; it all seems a bit desperate at LFC. Almost as desperate as the pathetic taunts from people like Phil. Lots of bravado and hot air but nothing really convincing. Like Phil above, Liverpool don&#8217;t really pose a threat. It&#8217;s as if the future seems murky and in doubt and it&#8217;s like the death of the Roman Empire&#8230; one last charge before the end. Every Empire has to end. Let&#8217;s see what the future holds!</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Lynch</title>
		<link>http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/2008/06/12/a-spoiler-readers-open-letter-to-gareth-barry/#comment-5493</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought zee&#039;s Aston Vanilla pun was spot on,  villa as a club = blah
villa as a team = blah
villa fans = blah

such a none entity its untrue ,  hope bazza can kiss the badge when rifles in the 4th at villa park for the reds.

taking away his testimonial after 10 years great service, how bitter can you get? 

poxy club, poxy fans

Aston &#039;League&#039; Filla</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought zee&#8217;s Aston Vanilla pun was spot on,  villa as a club = blah<br />
villa as a team = blah<br />
villa fans = blah</p>
<p>such a none entity its untrue ,  hope bazza can kiss the badge when rifles in the 4th at villa park for the reds.</p>
<p>taking away his testimonial after 10 years great service, how bitter can you get? </p>
<p>poxy club, poxy fans</p>
<p>Aston &#8216;League&#8217; Filla</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/2008/06/12/a-spoiler-readers-open-letter-to-gareth-barry/#comment-5469</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry, I don&#039;t know why you think Liverpool&#039;s debt is so funny. It&#039;s not. 

Arsenal have replaced their bank debt with asset backed bonds. The first football club to do so. The interest rate on these bonds is around 5.5% and will be paid over 25 years.

The payments come to around £20m per year.

Remember, Arsenal got into debt to develop the Emriates stadium. Liverpool just got into debt so Hicks and Gillette could buy the club.

Arsenal still have income to come from the development of the old Highbury site (Lough Rd and Ashburton Grove). So there is a huge difference between Arsenal&#039;s well structured plan and future income from the old site and Liverpool&#039;s situation - which is frankly, pretty grim.

Also, Arsenal managed to secure £100m from the new stadium for naming rights. And let&#039;s not forget the new stadium itself, which has increased revenue from around £130m a year to £200m per year. Therefore, even if you take the £20m they have to pay back for the bonds issue, they are still making more profit than before.

Therefore, it was a good business decision. It&#039;s just not comparable to Liverpool&#039;s debt. 

Are you starting to do the maths now Jerry? Are you starting realise just how bad the decision was to sell the club to people with NO cash? You may as well have bought the club Jerry. It would have made no difference to the disaster facing your club. Are you still laughing Jerry?

As for Manchester United, they have a debt of £660m which results in payments of £60m per year. Like Livecrpool, someone with no money managed to borrow the money to buy the club and offset the loan against the assets of the club. Like Liverpool, it&#039;s actually a tricky situation to be in. However, unlike Liverpool, Man United turns over about £250m per year. Liverpool turns over about £130m per year. 

The problem would not be a problem if it wasn&#039;t for the credit crunch, massive inflation, the prospect of recession and the fear of global collapse. 

A year ago, I would have said &quot;Liverpool will simply refinance come 2009&quot;. 

But because the banks themselves are in trouble and struggling to shore up their balance sheets there is simply no guarantee that Liverpool will be able to successfully refinance.

Your club is in turmoil. But the players don&#039;t know it - they only count their wages and play football. It&#039;s beyond them. They have agents saying... &quot;Don&#039;t worry about it. Just play your football and leave the money to me&quot;. 

Livepool used to be a club with ethics and standards.

Today it has none.

It has lost its soul.

The way it does business is not the old Liverpool way.

You can only have so much class on the pitch if you have none off it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry, I don&#8217;t know why you think Liverpool&#8217;s debt is so funny. It&#8217;s not. </p>
<p>Arsenal have replaced their bank debt with asset backed bonds. The first football club to do so. The interest rate on these bonds is around 5.5% and will be paid over 25 years.</p>
<p>The payments come to around £20m per year.</p>
<p>Remember, Arsenal got into debt to develop the Emriates stadium. Liverpool just got into debt so Hicks and Gillette could buy the club.</p>
<p>Arsenal still have income to come from the development of the old Highbury site (Lough Rd and Ashburton Grove). So there is a huge difference between Arsenal&#8217;s well structured plan and future income from the old site and Liverpool&#8217;s situation &#8211; which is frankly, pretty grim.</p>
<p>Also, Arsenal managed to secure £100m from the new stadium for naming rights. And let&#8217;s not forget the new stadium itself, which has increased revenue from around £130m a year to £200m per year. Therefore, even if you take the £20m they have to pay back for the bonds issue, they are still making more profit than before.</p>
<p>Therefore, it was a good business decision. It&#8217;s just not comparable to Liverpool&#8217;s debt. </p>
<p>Are you starting to do the maths now Jerry? Are you starting realise just how bad the decision was to sell the club to people with NO cash? You may as well have bought the club Jerry. It would have made no difference to the disaster facing your club. Are you still laughing Jerry?</p>
<p>As for Manchester United, they have a debt of £660m which results in payments of £60m per year. Like Livecrpool, someone with no money managed to borrow the money to buy the club and offset the loan against the assets of the club. Like Liverpool, it&#8217;s actually a tricky situation to be in. However, unlike Liverpool, Man United turns over about £250m per year. Liverpool turns over about £130m per year. </p>
<p>The problem would not be a problem if it wasn&#8217;t for the credit crunch, massive inflation, the prospect of recession and the fear of global collapse. </p>
<p>A year ago, I would have said &#8220;Liverpool will simply refinance come 2009&#8243;. </p>
<p>But because the banks themselves are in trouble and struggling to shore up their balance sheets there is simply no guarantee that Liverpool will be able to successfully refinance.</p>
<p>Your club is in turmoil. But the players don&#8217;t know it &#8211; they only count their wages and play football. It&#8217;s beyond them. They have agents saying&#8230; &#8220;Don&#8217;t worry about it. Just play your football and leave the money to me&#8221;. </p>
<p>Livepool used to be a club with ethics and standards.</p>
<p>Today it has none.</p>
<p>It has lost its soul.</p>
<p>The way it does business is not the old Liverpool way.</p>
<p>You can only have so much class on the pitch if you have none off it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/2008/06/12/a-spoiler-readers-open-letter-to-gareth-barry/#comment-5462</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Scousers have not got a hope of catching the 3 above them&quot;

How do you figure that? Last season we finished behind Arsenal for the first time in 3 years. We were closer to Man Utd than we were to Villa.

Also Martin... If Liverpool are in such a pickle because of their debt, does the same apply to Manchester United (approx debt 650M) or Arsenal (approx debt 300M)?

If not, why not?

Is your argument that because Villa are in better shape financially, they are going to replace these three clubs at the top of the Premiership after they all collapse?

LOL!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Scousers have not got a hope of catching the 3 above them&#8221;</p>
<p>How do you figure that? Last season we finished behind Arsenal for the first time in 3 years. We were closer to Man Utd than we were to Villa.</p>
<p>Also Martin&#8230; If Liverpool are in such a pickle because of their debt, does the same apply to Manchester United (approx debt 650M) or Arsenal (approx debt 300M)?</p>
<p>If not, why not?</p>
<p>Is your argument that because Villa are in better shape financially, they are going to replace these three clubs at the top of the Premiership after they all collapse?</p>
<p>LOL!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ad Bannistini</title>
		<link>http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/2008/06/12/a-spoiler-readers-open-letter-to-gareth-barry/#comment-5421</link>
		<dc:creator>Ad Bannistini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aston Vanilla. That is the lamest pun I&#039;ve ever heard. If we&#039;d been bought buy an ice cream magnate, then fair enough. But no. That is awful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aston Vanilla. That is the lamest pun I&#8217;ve ever heard. If we&#8217;d been bought buy an ice cream magnate, then fair enough. But no. That is awful.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/2008/06/12/a-spoiler-readers-open-letter-to-gareth-barry/#comment-5410</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So now Chelsea want to bid £40m for Torres. And the fact is this: If Liverpool were not in £350 of debt they could reject that bid. But because they are in debt, they will have to consider that bid. And that is the difference between a club with debts and a club with none. However, naive football fans - such as the Liverpool fans here - have very little understanding of business and finance and like their club, they are sleepwalking to a disaster. No one could have predicted the credit crunch when Hicks and Gillette sold the Liverpool&#039;s soul to the banks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So now Chelsea want to bid £40m for Torres. And the fact is this: If Liverpool were not in £350 of debt they could reject that bid. But because they are in debt, they will have to consider that bid. And that is the difference between a club with debts and a club with none. However, naive football fans &#8211; such as the Liverpool fans here &#8211; have very little understanding of business and finance and like their club, they are sleepwalking to a disaster. No one could have predicted the credit crunch when Hicks and Gillette sold the Liverpool&#8217;s soul to the banks.</p>
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		<title>By: Cel</title>
		<link>http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/2008/06/12/a-spoiler-readers-open-letter-to-gareth-barry/#comment-5399</link>
		<dc:creator>Cel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcus is absolutely right. Benitez job is not safe with those clowns in charge.  Anyone who is on the inside of football knows that the debt Liverpool are piling up will come crashing down on them. Secondly, it&#039;s not in Barry&#039;s interest to be rotated and played out of position and thirdly, Martin O&#039;Neill is the best man manager in the Premier League and the man to get the best form out of Barry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus is absolutely right. Benitez job is not safe with those clowns in charge.  Anyone who is on the inside of football knows that the debt Liverpool are piling up will come crashing down on them. Secondly, it&#8217;s not in Barry&#8217;s interest to be rotated and played out of position and thirdly, Martin O&#8217;Neill is the best man manager in the Premier League and the man to get the best form out of Barry.</p>
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		<title>By: Pacino</title>
		<link>http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/2008/06/12/a-spoiler-readers-open-letter-to-gareth-barry/#comment-5367</link>
		<dc:creator>Pacino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also - if the Alonso deal falls through, where does that leave Liverpool? Gerrard has insisted that Barry gets signed or he&#039;s off. The problem is, Liverpool don&#039;t have any cash. God knows what Liverpool pay each month to service that debt - millions and millions each month being paid to a bank. And that&#039;s just the interest. But if Liverpool CAN&#039;T sign Barry because they don&#039;t have any cash, then you may see other Liverpool players like Torres and even Gerrard himself leave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also &#8211; if the Alonso deal falls through, where does that leave Liverpool? Gerrard has insisted that Barry gets signed or he&#8217;s off. The problem is, Liverpool don&#8217;t have any cash. God knows what Liverpool pay each month to service that debt &#8211; millions and millions each month being paid to a bank. And that&#8217;s just the interest. But if Liverpool CAN&#8217;T sign Barry because they don&#8217;t have any cash, then you may see other Liverpool players like Torres and even Gerrard himself leave.</p>
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