Democracy has Spoken

Spurs fans believe they will be better off without Keane

Well, 40 per cent of them do…

Liverpool Daisy Chain of fun

Most people would struggle to see how a team could possibly be better off without a young striker who is capable of putting away 20+ goals a season, but according to a poll run by The Spoiler yesterday, over 40 per cent of Tottenham fans believe the future is brighter without the tiny Irishman.

The White hart Lane faithful posted their views on the subject, and many feel it is a blessing in disguise that Keane is now forming daisy chains with Fernando Torres et al.

Some said they didn’t like his style of play (he is a ball hogger, not an out-and-out striker) while others condemned his lack of commitment to the club (“I love it here and I would like to finish my career here,” he said just a few weeks ago).

The most surprising logic that supported Keane’s departure, however, was the suggestion by several fans that it would give an opportunity for gigantic flop Darren Bent to get a run out. Sure, he bagged four goals against Norwich a few days ago, but The Spoiler can’t see him netting double digits in 2008/09.

Wherever you stand on the Keane debate, Spurs fans, you may be happy to know that Euro 2008 soup-du-jour Andrei Arshavin is keen on a move to the Lane:

“At this point there is some talks with Tottenham, but nothing complete because of the high fee Zenit want for Andrei.

“Juande Ramos very much wants to sign Andrei as he is his number one target and Daniel Levy is doing everything to make the deal, but it is difficult to agree a fee with Zenit.”


24 responses so far
  • Matt C // July 30, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    with a world class talent like Darren Bent waiting in the wings, no wonder spurs fans are pleased to see a proven goalscorer leave. I’m amazed that Liverpool would spend so much as they did. I’m even more amazed by hearing Daniel Levy bleat on about improper behaviour after his disgusting treatment of Martin Jol.

  • Sean // July 30, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    LOOK!

    Will people like you stop calling Darren Bent ‘a flop’ (in this instance a ‘gigantic flop’). I can only presume that when so many have explained it so frequently in so many places that either your professionalism is limited to living in a hole, looking at no sources of information whatsoever, and listening to no-one (strange traits for a journalist), or, quite frankly, you are a bit retarded!
    For the record:
    1) DB was never going to break up the Keane/Berbatov partnership in his first season (neither did jermaine Defoe, but no-one describes him as ‘a massive flop’. I have evensuggested that there may have been a reluctance to replace berbatov with bent, on occasions last year, in a desperate effort to convince the moody wantaway Bulgarian that he would remain first choice.
    2) No striker can be judged properly until he has had a proper run in the team. As DB was nver given a proper run in the team (see above) it is impossible to judge him, and therefore, logically, to describe him as a flop.
    3) Juande Ramos highlighted on several occasions that there was a distinct lack of creativity from midfield last year. As, being a direct stiker, and one who functions well as a lone striker, it is obvious, this being the case, that DB was not going to get the service he requred. Indeed, I would argue that both Keaen and Berbatov seem more indispensible than they in fact are due to the fact that the compensated for this lack of midfield creativity by their link up play and creativity – which hardly means that DB was ‘a flop’ for not thriving at something he has never purported to thrive at, just to compensate for the inadequacies of others.
    4) DB in fact scored nine goals last season. This was actually more than some teams top scorers. When it is considered that he never got a run in the team, meaning he probably never hit the form he is capable of (see 2, above), that he never got the service he needs (see 3, above), and that he wasn’t 100 % fit, and then, if you are capable of it, factor in the time played over goals sscored ratio. Then, again if you are capable of it, have a long hard logical think and decide if you still want to describe him as ‘a massive flop’.
    GOD, if you said he had a slightly disappointing first season I wouldn’t so much, but so called journalists should have a far better command of the language they are composing in than you have. Thinsg don’t always need to be in the superlativbe, non-momunental success does not always equate to monumental disaster.
    And I haven’t even got on to explaining to you how the sale of Robbie Keaen could, indeed, turn out to be a blessing in disguise – sad as I was to see him leave (and that opinnion DOES consider the likely sale of Berbatov). You should be explaining that to me, if you really want the title of journalist, and everything that goes with that!

  • Stuart // July 30, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    he will be 29 come february hardly ‘young’ as you put it, we got up to 20m for him

    Whoever writes these article is a complete muppet

  • Bre // July 30, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Darren Bent, a “gigantic flop”? The Spoiler can’t see him netting double digits in 2008/09? THe spolier must be an idiot!

  • davspurs // July 30, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Some people say iam i can see things before the happen 6 sense well i will give my 7 sense thats robbies shirt number and not far of the ammount of goals he will score for liverskint 11 in the league and 14 alltogether including one in friendlys also torres wil score 18 goals 16 in the league the rest in cups. liverskint will finish 7th and no cups they will go into free fall like robbies previous club that he signed for 12 million and killed leeds of as they sold him to spurs for 7 million the number liverskint have given him so there you have it and all the spurs fans loved robbie and are saying things because like me we are hurting thanks for the memorys robbie and thanks for helping us into 3rd place 4 points of the title

  • DanDy // July 30, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    What a crap site and an even crapper journalist. Why do you feel the need to jump on the ‘Darren Bent is a flop’ bandwagon just because some of the anti-spurs red top rags love to do so? The fact is he was injured for half the season, yet still managed 8 goals in 11 starts and 9 goals in total. His goal per minutes on the pitch ratio was actually better than that of Keane and Berbatov. If a striker is brought on for the last 5 minutes of a game for most of the season then clearly his stats are not going to look good as you have 5 minutes to score to everyone else’s 90. But anyone who knows anything about football will tell you the real stat to look out for a striker is goals per minutes and not goals per game you cretin. it was obvious he was not going to get in ahead of Keane and Berbatov as they are both whinging fucks who would have up and left if they didn’t start every game. Ironically they are now both leaving anyway, and good riddance I say as hopefully we’ll get TEAM players in now like Bent who want to play for the club (turned down twice the money West Ham were offering to do so) and don’t mind fighting for their place. Look at Keane sulking when Defoe got in ahead of him a couple of seasons back, what a c**t he made himself look. We sell Defoe, then he decides to run into Liverpool’s arms anyway. Ramos is building a team not a squad of individuals. Now run along and read Shoot! or something.

  • Dave Winchester // July 30, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    I think the reason that he is labelled as a flop is that he cost a vast amount of money and he isn’t very good.

  • Sean // July 30, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    Well, thanks Dave Winchester – you have clearly digested all of the highly erudite arguments on the matter, and offered an intellectually dazzling rejoinder.

  • DanDy // July 30, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    Dave Winchester, I think the reason you are labeled as a cunt is that you are a cunt.

  • Adam // July 30, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    im pretty sure bent will get double figures this season he got 8 last season in bout 20 minutes on the pitch so im sure he will be just fine, as for keano i wish him well but am still shellshocked he left, i still like him though as long as he dont score against us

  • john // July 30, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Would Dave Winchester like to substantiate his comment with a grown up argument, The ya,boo lookatme aren’t I smart attitutude is typical during the time primary schools are on holiday. Bent actually scored more goal on a time on pitch to goals calculation. Perhaps the smug Spoiler will put his money where his (BIG) mouth is and give his readers odds against Bent reaching double figures. The odds must be substantial given his confidence. I’m sure he will get a lot of takers. Give me the odds against and I’ll start the ball rolling with £100 stake. come on readers join me and see just how big the Spoiler is.Not his ego but his confidence. Let’s all call his bluff.

  • Chad Sexington // July 30, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Spurs fans are outrageously sensitive! Can you honestly argue that Darren Bent performed as well as someone who cost as much as he did should have?

  • Matt C // July 30, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    the psychic aura around this page is spooky. next you’ll all be predicting spurs to finish in the top 4

  • Sean // July 30, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Chad Sexington – Spurs fans are arguing that Darren Bent was not ‘a monumental flop’; not that his signing-on fee was value for money (even though the fee quoted is add ons and all), or that he played spectacularly well.
    Try to read the comments before commenting, please.

  • Chad Sexington // July 30, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    Yes Sean, I know, but why do you assess his contribution as positive if you don’t believe he played well or was good value for money? If he was neither of these things, surely you must concur that he is a flop to some extent.

  • DanDy // July 30, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Dave Winchester and Chad Sexington? Seriously Are they your actual names? You two should get together and open up a gay club on a farm somewhere where your friends Rupert Perrywinkle and Sebastian Marmaduke can come too. What the fuck?

  • Sean // July 30, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Chad – you have spectacularly misread my post.
    I said he didn’t play SPECTACULARLY WELL, i.e. he did play so well as to rate a nomination for the Golden Boot, not that he didn’t play WELL, i.e. he was absolutely abysmal and I personally will drive the taxi to No Hope Rovers or West ham, whichever is the more dire option!
    Also, if you read the lengthy post I have made above (post 2) you will see a full exposition of my opinion that DB does not deserve the label ‘flop’, let alone ‘monumental flop’.
    As for value for money: well, that has little to do with Darren Bent’s first season. I have, in fact, been active on number of Spurs message boards arguing that DB was a good addition to the squad as of last summer, when he was first purchased, and some were calling him a flop before he kicked a ball. At teh same time I truly consider therre to be an excessive premium to be paid at the moment for English players (cf David bentley, whom I likewise consider will be an excellent addition to the squad). In addition, I felt that the fee for DB was slightly excessive for someone who had never played in a Big Club (sorry Charlton fans, but that’s just the way of it). On the other hand, he was the top English goalscorer in the Prem. and many seem to struggle with the concept that a large chunk of the fee is in add-ons. The fee paid, up front, is supposedly more like 12 mill than 16.6 – but even that i would consider a little had; perhaps 2 million. 10 million plus the add ons would probably have been a better deal for Spurs – which is no reflection whatsoever on DB or his performances in his first season.
    Do please try to keep speed ;-D

  • David // July 30, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Actually the fee paid to Tottenham is 15 million with add ons to equal 18 million. The fee that is being talked about was agreed to let spurs save face. They will not be in the top 4. Top 10 yes.

  • Grownup // July 30, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Nice one David. Of course the mandatory statement made by spurs under Stock Exchange rules states the fee to be £18 million plus a potential add on of £1.3 million. Your smug, made up staement that the fee is £15 million is typical of a fan in denial of being done up on the fee. The word actually shows that you are either challenged on reading or are completely unaware of the rules pertaining to PLCs. You can go to a library(it’s a big building in most towns) and look up both the rules and the facts of this transfer. You might like to come back when you’ve done this and eat humble pie but it would actually take a big man to do that and not someone with too much time on their hands during the school holidays.

  • john // July 30, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    Hi Spoiler.Still waiting for the odds you will offer against bent scoring 10 or more goals requested at 2.54 pm. Do I hear a chicken clucking in the website office? Tiome to put up or shut up. Any coward can dish it out but not take it. Small man Spoiler.

  • Abe // July 31, 2008 at 6:47 am

    If Darren Bent stays fit I reckon he will easily score more goals than Keane. Remember Bent could not get into the side because of the great relationship between Berba and Keane. Now that is broken and Berba will likely move on you can be sure that Spurs play will be modified to suit Bent (as it already has for the friendlies). Ultimately I think Ramos is going to play a new system and in this new system Keane might not be missed as much. If we kept the old system he would have been

  • Ryan Bailey // July 31, 2008 at 7:43 am

    Apologies for not supplying odds, John. Unfortunately, we are a sports blog and not a bookmaker.

  • koz // July 31, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    darren bent is shite

  • Can anyone stop Darren Bent’s scoring rampage? | The Spoiler // January 12, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    [...] Yesterday, The Spoiler boldly claimed that Darren Bent wouldn’t reach a goal tally in the double digits next season, as we presumed Juande Ramos would find someone to push him out of the regular team. The former Charlton top scorer, however, has managed to net seven goals in friendlies against Norwich (see above) and Leyton Orient this week, and it’s looking likely that he will be getting more of a run out when the season proper begins. [...]

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