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Spain bring racism to the Olympic Games

Basketball team find subtle way to offend their hosts

Spain’s Olympic Basketball Team

Spain (the country whose national manager referred to Thierry Henry as a ‘black shit’, whose fans greeted the England team with monkey chants and whose Formula One supporters found their own special way of welcoming Lewis Hamilton) have enhanced their reputation as world leaders in the field of racism by making ‘slit-eyed’ gestures prior to participating in the Beijing basketball tournament.

Clearly, Spanish marketing executives believe the best way to promote good and services is through overt discrimination, as the snap above is actually part of an advertisement for a courier company. The posed faux-pas enjoyed a full-page in Spanish sport daily Marca, and according to The Guardian, no one involved in the advert believed it to be offensive, and they did not consider it inappropriate in light of their bid for the Olympiad in 2016 or 2020.


583 responses so far
  • botella // August 11, 2008 at 9:44 am

    Hi Ryan Bailey, you are an autentic stupid. You can´t say Spain is a racist country because this comment is realy false.

  • JJ // August 11, 2008 at 10:58 am

    Is this really a surprise to anyone who has visited Spain? The country is full of ignorant, racist pricks who think very highly about their shithole of a country and culture. Botella is a prime example of this, the picture is perfectly normal to him. No harm done right? Monkey chants during our game in Spain was a funny joke right? Bloody wankers still living in the stone age.

  • el tel // August 11, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    Bottella,

    Estoy en acuerdo. The Chinese are one of the most racist societies in the world. The call us Gueay lo, which means round eyes. I found this on the site of one of the UK’s most racist websites run by black racists, the most famous of which is the owner of the site, and multi millioner from poncing off white people,
    What the racist Wooley does is to find anything controvercial involving race and then stick it up to show that all whites are racists.

    I read El Pais every day and there has been nothing in any of the last editions including the one I bought today so it is possible that this is a scam by Wooley or some other black racists.

    All info to me El Tel @ asesinato1979@yahoo.es.

  • el tel // August 11, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    I forgot to post that you can find the racist Wooley on http://www.obv.org.uk. You will need a strong stomache, it is among the most vile anti jewish and white stuff you will ever see.

  • botella // August 11, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    You couldn´t speak about a Country when you only know some people ….
    The british supporters aren´t an angelical people but I will never say (all) the british people “living in the stone age”

  • guy // August 11, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    OH NO, THEY MADE PRETENDED THEY HAD SLIT-EYES!?!?! THE HORROR!!!1!

    my god, the English really are completely pussified aren’t they?

  • el tel // August 11, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    botella,

    Gracias.

  • Andrew // August 11, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    “The country is full of ignorant, racist pricks who think very highly about their shithole of a country and culture.”

    I’ll take “Irony” for $500, Alex.

  • Andrew // August 11, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    only a moron wouldn’t think this was offensive

  • Lou // August 11, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    There are racists in every country. The difference here is that most people in most countries seem to think it’s nothing to be proud of, and in fact will go out of their way to assert that they’re *not* racist. In Spain, OTOH, racism is apparently so acceptable it’s considered a marketing tool for a nationwide advertising campaign.

  • Justin // August 11, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    “They call us Gueay lo, which means round eyes.”

    Wrong. It doesn’t mean round eyes, it actually means “white ghost,” which isn’t much better, but Lou brings up an excellent point: every country has racists, and I somehow doubt that the Chinese have ever run an ad that included that slang word.

    The fact that nobody took issue with this ad through the entire publishing process is disturbing to me.

  • el tel // August 11, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    There are reasons for everything and one of the reasons for the supposed racism of Spain is that the country has has a racial shock over the last few years with a huge amount of immigration.

    If people go to http://www.searchlightmagazine.com and put terry fitzpatrick into archive they will see two articles which ,I hope, will start to enlighten people as to how Spain has changed in a very few years.

    All societies, at some point in time, are subject shock and that is true of those regarded by the left as being imperial.

    What I think is important is the fact that the vast majority of those currently trying to get a living for themselves and their families had nothing to do with the empires that they are being blamed for.

    Sorry for being a bit political but if we don,t deal with the crap coming out of the racists of whichever colour we are going to be in shit.

    As we are on the subject, why is Barca in such a state and whay is Celtic not far off?

  • Eastwood // August 11, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    Hey Spain, anyone can make a mistake. Just try to be a little bit more concilliatory about it when found out

  • Orange Gaijin // August 11, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    Bottella,

    Gueay lo means Ghost. I forget the word for blks but translation means blk ghost. You right the Chinese have derogatory words for anyone non Chinese.

  • Julio P.G // August 11, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    ¿Nadie ha comentado este artículo?

  • Luis // August 11, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    No one in Spain would consider this gesture as offensive as no one does such a gesture in Spain with an offensive intention!!
    It is just a not-at-all-racist-neither-having-nothing-to-do-with-racialism children’s joke (in Spain, Children usually do that gesture pretending to be Chinese, and that’s what the players were trying to imitate). No one, and I repeat, no one would use such a sympathetic gesture to offend any Chinese people in Spain, as no one considers it as offensive.

  • Orange Gaijin // August 11, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    C’mon…..The Spanish fans called the blk players “N” and tossed bananas on to the pitch during games and they didn’t see that wasn’t offensive too? C’mon…..

  • verbal // August 11, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    wow. lol..wow

  • missyhelly // August 11, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    Luis, are you Chinese or Asian decent? How do you know no one considers it offensive in Spain? Have you discussed this with your Asian friends? Did they tell you they find the gesture non-offensive? Just cause children make the gesture when depicting Chinese does not make it alright. I’m Korean Canadian, and I find the gesture very offensive. I’m very upset with this ad. Just cause you and your friends (and your country as you mentioned) find this non-offensive does not make not racist. I find your comment as offensive as the ad.

  • RedbyDawn // August 12, 2008 at 1:54 am

    Quit moaning you fucking round eye cunts…

  • Michelle // August 12, 2008 at 3:46 am

    I just saw Justin’s remark only after writing this but he’s probably the most sensible of you lot.

    First off, “gwai lo” has a literal translation of ghost/spirit man. This doesn’t necessarily mean it’s any better but when you want to start an argument or make a point, you should get your facts right.

    It’s also a very juvenile argument to rattle off the faults of other countries and point blame. If a man was tried for murder and his lawyer said “So? Terrorists kill more people, they’re much worst off”. This statement may indeed be correct but it doesn’t discount the actions of the defendent, does it?

  • maddy // August 12, 2008 at 4:03 am

    I can’t even believe that this was actually published…!!! I’m sure there was no intent of malice (unless these guys are idiots) but the truth of the matter is pure ignorance!! Wow, I guess there aren’t very many asians in Spain, and I’m not about to think that all Spanish people are racist, but there is definitely something wrong to have had that ad being printed and for no one to think that maybe it’s just a tiny bit inappropriate…..OR A LOT!

  • Daikrieg // August 12, 2008 at 11:41 am

    I am ASTONISHED, as a Spaniard, watching this pile of guys calling us everything they can imagine (idiots, morons, etc.) only for a picture with NO RACIST MEANING AT ALL!! Maybe in your historical foreign-friendly culture () this is racism, but this give you no authority to insult us.
    I remember you that, for example, in Spain, showing your index and middle finger isn´t considered insulting at all… It´s just “two”
    Swearing is easy. Much more than understanding…

  • USA // August 12, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    Daikrieg,

    Using your words, I am ASTONISHED as an American that you and other defenders of the picture would ever deem it absent of racism and then chide those who are actually offended by it. Who do you think YOU are? I think you and other Spaniards who have defended the picture have illustrated the fact that Spain has been a homogeneous society for such a long time under Franco that you don’t even realize when you are being racist.

  • Yao Ming // August 12, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Dumb Mexicans/Spaniard Aliens need to quit wasting our government taxes in America, and go back to Spain/Mexico where they belong. They’re on every street corner begging for a job to mow our lawns or clean our cars (they lower our real estate value by hanging around like roaches). Do you guys consider this a racist comment or just poking fun?

  • helge // August 12, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    A bloke had to take care of a black baby. a woman comes, checks him and says ‘you need to change him’.
    the guy responds: ‘i know but there are no white ones left.’
    this was a popular sitcom that i saw last spring in a main Spanish TV channel – just like they say: racism in Spain is not an issue.

  • FCBarca // August 12, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Yep, pretty racist…Let’s not spin it.

    But, then again, it doesn’t surprise me…Racism IS a problem in Spain…Look no further than La Liga players that have to endure monkey chants at chants…How many other countries does that go on in?…The US is pretty racist but I doubt you’d find that at any kind of sporting event…The UK has it’s equal share of racism but monkey chants would be hard to uncover

    Prejudice is prejudice, let’s not spin it

  • pb // August 12, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Who cares? Nothing of importance has ever come out of Spain. They and their sad little jokes are insignificant. Name 1 internationally recognized brand or product of significance that’s come out of Spain. Can you think of a mobile company, software, automobile, innovation in sport, or anything?

    By the way, as of 8/12, two of the top countries on the Olympic medal count are slant-eyed nations: China has 20 medals, and South Korea has 12.

    How many does Spain have? 2.
    Pathetic.

  • diego // August 12, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Well, Chinese folks do have slanted eyes.

  • diego // August 12, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Chinese, Japanese, dirty knees, look at these!

  • Franco // August 12, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    Woah – the depth and extent of the ignorance of the Spaniards are appalling. It’s incredible that they do not see this ad as a form of racist taunting. The whole country is like a sociopath who enjoys hurting others and always blames the victims.

  • Truth // August 12, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    the French have saying… “when Spaniards talk, it’s like diaherra”… well… this picture is worth a thousand words…

  • Dora // August 12, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Diego, what the hell are you doing on the Internet? Some lemurs are in stuck in a swamp, hurry up and do you your job you prick.

  • Comorl? // August 12, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    Me parece bastante estúpido lo que se comenta por aqui, la verdad… No veo qué acto racista se puede sacar de esa imagen. Hacen un gesto rasgando los ojos en imitación a los chinos, sí, ¿y? ¿No tienen ojos rasgados los chinos acaso? ¿Es falso? Y de hecho, ¿es que acaso es malo? O_o No se usa como un insulto, y la verdad, veo más racista y discriminatorio a la gente que puede pensar eso de un gesto tan absurdo. Es como pensar que decir que un afroamericano es negro es algo negativo. Pues no, no lo es.

    Y que dejen de intentar difamar sobre España por favor. Lo que les pasa es que tienen envidia, porque últimamente llevamos una racha de victorias bastante fuerte ;D

  • Daikrieg // August 12, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    @USA:

    First of all, I am only chiding those who call us assholes, morons, stoneageds pricks, etc. just because they have seen a picture, I put my life in this, made with the best of the intentions, like a way of saying “Hey! We´re chinese too! We´re going to China!” or wathever. You americans are obsessed with the politically correct, but still keep raising walls by the customs, invading other countries, and letting people die in the street because they don´t have a medical insurance. Generalising, as you like.

    Second, I was born after Franco died, raised in a liberal family, living in an immigrant-filled neighbourhood, and I have some foreign friends, so believe me when I tell you that, in Spain, remarking other people´s differences “lovingly” is not seen as racism.

    Example: a black guy is called by his friends “negro” (the black guy, or whatever you say), a moor called “moro”, and so on is seen as a piece of affect. Obviously, calling that people “f*king black guy” and similar is racism, but, in Spanish, you have to be very careful, not what you say with, but HOW do you say it.

    And, finishing, what takes me out of my mind is the big bunch of assholes (americans, I bet) who still think that we are mexicans who wear “sombreros” (sic.), drink tequila and eat burritos. And THEY call us racists. Don´t make me laugh.

  • clos // August 12, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    Do you see this…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBFB26-lAck

    When you makes jokes it´s not racism…
    When make the rest of the people yes…
    Pathetic
    Remember You Create the Modern Slavery…
    In one day Cromwell kills more people that the Spanish Inquisition in Five Centurys…

  • a7up2 // August 12, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    The problem is many people are analyzing this incident based on what is acceptable in the US or UK and are applying those norms upon the Spanish.

    Firstly, the intent behind the gesture was not hurtful. I think Americans and the British have a bit of complex about diversity—it’s great and all, just as long as we ignore it. The great thing about the U.S. for example is that everyone is allowed to be white. And although I say that somewhat ironically, that is still an amazing thing which allows anyone to have a place in this society. On the flipside, it’s as if recognizing someone’s difference whether in looks, culture, accent or language has become taboo, as if that difference were something bad that we better pretend doesn’t exist. I think its great and cause for celebration that people around the world are different, and I also think its fine to make light hearted jokes about these differences. That is all the Spanish national team was doing. They were calling attention to the fact that they were going somewhere where the people were really really different. They were celebrating it and joking about it. The gesture would only be cause for offence if there was malicious intention behind it, or if having the eye’s of an Asian were something to be ashamed of. Neither is the case. In Spain, and many other countries, there is no such hangup in regard to other people’s differences.

    I think this photo from the world cup in Korea and Japan illustrates this point. Either Ronaldo is a racist or the Japanese or Koreans host is a mean teethmakerfunnerofs. http://www.basicmedia.co.uk/doteu/worldcup/2006/06

    Spain is not perfect. Nowhere is. But the Spanish (and Catalans, and Basques, and Gallegos), in their complete disregard of political correctness, live in one of the most tolerant places on earth. Yes, racism exists, and maybe Spaniards are too tolerant of that racism, but there is very big difference between the hurtful words that some (fascist) fans in Zaragoza yell at a black player, and the general political incorrectness that is part of Spanish life, most of which is light hearted. Much of the non-PC talk in Spain could be offensive, but the source of much of that talk is not maliciousness, but a certain naiveté that stems from Spain’s relative lack of diversity (although that is changing). Luis Argones was out of line for his comments about Henry, someone of his stature should know better. However, I suggest you ask Samuel Eto’o (or Google) what he thinks about the distinction between hurtful words and merely politically incorrect ones. (note: Eto’o is a Cameroonian striker who spoke out on behalf of Argones following his comments about Henry. He also left the field because of the racist chants in Zaragoza).

    I think in the US and UK, there is far too great a focus on superficial racism and that the real injustices inflicted upon the helpless in society are ignored. One example (and there are many) is US immigration law which is draconian compared to the Spanish. Additionally, there is no popular movement in Spain to build a wall to keep immigrants out of the country and if sick, an illegal immigrant in Spain will receive the best possible healthcare. Americans in the US cannot even say the same.

    Spain is a great place, and I can’t help take of offence to the unwarranted criticism against it. But what annoys me even more is the PC fascism we see more and more of. It is true that Spain is not as PC as the US, but it is a much more equitable and tolerant society.

  • John // August 12, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    Tactics to distract the Spanish team… What you see in that photo is not racism, is simply traying to be sympathetic with the Chinese people. Spaniards are probably the people who have mixed and married with more races than any other group in world history. Racism will be to exterminate 99% of the Native Americans in the United States, The Opium War against China (England trying to force the Chinese to consume opium). To esterilize Native American, Mexican, French Catholic and mentally retarded women in a “scientific” program known in England and the United States as Eugenics up to the last century, or to look the other way when African Americans died in situations such as Katrina in New Orleans.

  • Paul // August 12, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    The news was published in UK press. So some UK press thinks chinese people should be angry for this. Let’s wait what the chinese have to say, I don’t think spaniards have to apologise if the chinese don’t get offended.
    The main point is I don’t think this is racism, I don’t even consider it unfortunate.

    I’ve lived and worked in the US for 2 years, UK (5 years) and Spain (2 years). I don’t think americans and britons can teach lessons about racism to spaniards. I’ve seen more, much more racist gestures in those countries than in Spain.

    In fact, in Spain people really makes you feel welcome, some of my coworkers were from far east and I swear they were well treated, like me.

    No one who has lived in Spain would think this picture is racism.

  • Schwein // August 12, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBFB26-lAck

    So, OWNED?

    Nope, just (childish? clumsy?) fun, but harmless.

    Anyway, +1000 to a7up2 analysis.

    Read it if you want to overcome such biased prejudices, arisen for sure from a History (yours) way more tarnished by racist issues. And i’m not blaming anyone but keeping things clear.

    By the way, i find this article quite irresponsible.

  • Lucas // August 12, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    You can mock at someone who is too short or has bad eye-sight, or has a broken leg… that is, you can only mock at things that are bad, so if you believe these players are mocking at the Chinese, it’s because you believe that having slit eyers is bad, so the only racist is YOU, not the Spanish team.

  • Yao Ming // August 12, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    I guess the Chinese Women’s basketball team should have all worn walmart tshirts and shorts that were two sizes too small with fake guts (stomachs) hanging out, and put on mustaches, so they could “mock” hispanic women. That wouldn’t be racist unless you actually think this is a bad thing. That makes a lot of sense Lucas.

  • Marcos // August 12, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    Is everyone mad? Does anyone really thinks this is racism? You probably have no idea about how mixed the spanish blood is, please don´t project all your anglo-saxon complexes, fears and -really- stupidity on us. There are other ways to analyse reality than your, corseted, hypocrital and puritan society, where racism is really a problem. How many million inmigrants have come to Spain in the last years? Four (10% of the countries´population). Spain is the country in the world with the fastest growing rate of inmigrants in the last years. How many integration problems do we have compared to the UK or the USA? Please we understand that is difficult to deal with cultural diversity but don´t blame it on us if you actually do it that poorly.

  • Lucas // August 12, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    Why do people think that having slit eyes is something you can mock at? They are perhaps… racist?

  • a. // August 12, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    Daikreig – I can’t believe you just used the whole “I have Asian friends” as a defense. Just because you have a friend who happens to be black does not justify you saying the word “nigger.” Even if my best friend were to make this gesture in genuine jest, I would be extremely offended and probably would want to punch her in the face.

    I don’t care if the ad had no intention to offend. The fact is, it did. Maybe in the so-called progressive and “tolerant” Spain, this type of bullshit is acceptable, but for the people they mocked or “simulated,” it isn’t. It makes us want to punch the Spanish basketball team, the advertisers who pitched the idea, and anyone who defends it, in the face.

  • USA // August 12, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    Daikrieg,

    “And, finishing, what takes me out of my mind is the big bunch of assholes (americans, I bet) who still think that we are mexicans who wear “sombreros” (sic.), drink tequila and eat burritos.”

    OK, let’s analyze this statement, shall we? First off, for someone who is supposedly against generalizing other countries/cultures, you do a pretty good job of doing the same about Americans.

    As you were kind enough to give me a quick overview of your background, I will do the same. I was born in America, went to an Ivy League college and business school and have traveled extensively, including one month in Spain. I have friends of many cultures and nationalities and consider myself fairly open-minded. You can hardly call me an “ugly american”.

    What you wrote in that last paragraph about what annoys you about “americans’” supposed perception of spaniards is EXACTLY why the slanted eye gesture, while not apparently offensive to Spaniards, IS absolutely offensive to Asians. Let me ask you something, since you mentioned that being associated with sombreros and tequila offend you as a Spaniard, let’s say the Olympics were being held in Madrid and the american basketball team, in an attempt to say “look we are Spanish” published a picture of themselves wearing sombreros and holding tequila bottles in one hand and burritos in the other, would you be offended? This wouldn’t even be racist as much as it is ignorant, but I bet it would irk you. What if the Americans’ defense was, oh we do this all the time in the US and it is not offensive at all. Would that change the way you felt? I doubt it.

    The point is, that gesture IS offensive to Asians, whether it has become the norm in Spain or not. Once again, it is the target of the gesture that has the right to determine whether they are offended by it or not; not the provider of the gesture.

    Let me ask you one last thing. If the Olympics were in Africa, would the Spanish team paint their faces black and wear afros and publish that picture in their newspaper? I think not.

  • USA // August 12, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    Daikrieg,

    No one disputes that racism exists in virtually all countries. Every culture and country has their own issues to deal with. I think what is shocking to many non-Spaniards is that this image was allowed to be printed in the most popular mainstream newspaper in the country. It’s one thing to have closet racists or racism in special interest publications, quite another to have it in such a prestigious Spanish publication. I dare say most editors at such a paper would have had a problem printing that image.

    Once again, just because it is acceptable amongst Spaniards to make that gesture does not make it unoffensive to Asians. The pulling back of the eyes has its historic roots in mockery in many Western countries; it is not received just as an innocent gesture I assure you.

  • Lucas // August 12, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    “Let’s say the american basketball team, in an attempt to say “look we are Spanish” published a picture of themselves wearing sombreros and holding tequila bottles in one hand and burritos in the other, would you be offended?”

    Only immature people would feel offended. Others would laugh, confronted with a silly, naive mascherade.

  • USA // August 12, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    Lucas,

    Are you from Spain? If not, you are hardly qualified to say who should or should not be offended. I’ll wait for a Spaniard’s answer.

  • Arturo // August 12, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    I find everything complete nonsense. Anyway, I can understand that people with a very recent historical background of racism can not understand what only means a simple joke with no racist meaning at all. In Spain this gesture is only a child’s joke and no offense at all. I am afraid the british journalist, and all those backing him, have a very different scale of values compared to the spanish sense of humour. No offense, please!

  • USA // August 12, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    “You can mock at someone who is too short or has bad eye-sight, or has a broken leg… that is, you can only mock at things that are bad, so if you believe these players are mocking at the Chinese, it’s because you believe that having slit eyers is bad, so the only racist is YOU, not the Spanish team.”

    Well, Lucas, that’s actually the point. That slit eye gesture has a long history of making a mockery of Asian people in Western countries. It IS viewed and used in a negative light in many Western countries. Again, that is exactly the point.

  • USA // August 12, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Arturo,

    Tell me, what exactly is the “child’s joke”? What’s funny about this “child’s joke”? Please elaborate in what way it is used as a child in Spain.

  • nick // August 12, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    a few observations:

    1 – what the spanish team did is probably offensive to some or many chinese people, to others it’s not

    2 – clearly other countries, namely the US and UK, are much more sensitive to issues of political correctness than Spain (this is not a value judgement, merely an observation)

    3 – the fact that all cultures, to one degree or another, are intollerant of other cultures does not make it okay

    4 – we need to find a balance between being able to talk about and point out our differences without being so damn sensitive about them, this was clearly in good fun and the spanish team was not trying to offend anyone, people need to stop being so sensitive, others need to learn how to have a real sense of humor that doesn’t rely so heavily on the same played out stereotypes.

  • Bob // August 12, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    This was not done by white americans so how can it be considered recist? Everyone in the world knows that only the whites are racists

  • fonzie // August 12, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    Right just a couple of things to add my view to this issue.
    1st. I do not thing the spanish basketball team meant to be racist in any way, shape or form.
    However, I understand why some people may think that this attitude is racist or can lead to racism, and in my opinion is innapropiate as it can be interpreted in the wrong way by Chinese.

    2nd Spaniards should apologise. They should make a statement and simply say that by pulling the skin on the sides of their eyes they didn’t mean to upset anyone. They should say that this gesture didn’t have any connotations and that they understand that it could be interpreted the wrong way elsewhere.
    And this issue would be sorted.
    But the spaniards are normally too slow to say sorry. They will waste too much time and efforts trying to explain the fact that this gesture may not be racist in their country, instead of saying sorry and turn the page over.

    3rd. In defense of what someone has mentioned in previous posts, this gesture is something that children do when they are litte. I remember a song we used to sing when we were kids and that we would sing pulling our eyes sideways. The song said something like “chinito tu, chinito yo”, which just means “you are chinese, i am chinese”. It is obvious, that no racism is implied by this, but as I said before, what spaniards fail to recognise and consider is that elsewhere this can be interpreted as racist and therefore is politically incorrect.

    4th. I believe the spanish society is racist. I do agree with the fact that there is some sort of racism in any country, but the monkey chants in football or even basketball games in Spain happen to often to ignore. However, no one in Spain has taking radical measures to tackle this issue. Two seasons ago, Etoo a Barcelona football player, threatened the referee to abandon a game in Zaragoza in which he was constantly racially abused by home fans. Yet, he was the most critised one after the incident, with many fans and pundits blaming him for what happened and accusing him of making things worse. These are the kind of attitudes that show what some spaniards are made of.

    5th. I totally disagree with Marcos, who says all these nice words about spaniards’ mixed blood etc etc. Spain’s democracy is only 40 years old. Yes, they have been getting a high percentage of immigration over the last few years, yes it might be the country with the fastest growing rate of immigrants, but the situation in Spain is no different to that of England with Pakistanis and Indians, Germany with Turks or France with north africans, 30 years ago!!! Spain is getting now what the majority of Europe got 30 or 40 years earlier. And they are not coping very well with it because the economic situation is not as good as it was for some of the above countries when they received the high amount of immigrants. In that sense, Spain is well behind many countries in Europe. Its democracy is still so young that behaviours and mannerisms like the ones we are just analysing, seem normal for a population that is not used to diversity and political correctness. And many years will have to go pass, until these kind of behaviours are corrected and assimilated by the majority of the population.

    Having said that, I still believe the gesture was innocent and non-malicious, but…where the heck is the apology????
    Come on Spaniards, saying sorry is not that hard…

  • Jerry // August 12, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    Simple Solution, let the Chinese eliminate Spain (not talking about basketball) while they’re in Beijing.

  • Lucas // August 12, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Why do people think that having slit eyes is something you can mock at? They are perhaps… racist?

    The more you try to explain yourselves, the more racist you prove to be.

    Having slit eyes is not a bad thing, why can’t you accept that?

  • Lucas // August 12, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    By the way, Spain has had an ethnic minority before any other European nation: the gypsies.

  • Sil // August 12, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    Wait.. the English are calling the Spanish racist??? hmmm, there’s a word for that.. Oh, yes STUPID!!!!! Only two countries care about what England has to say.. UK and USA. The rest of the world really doesn’t care for the modern day neo-nazis that they both are!

  • Sil // August 12, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    One more thing.. shouldn’t you british people be worrying about the fact that you have been told that you have a lack of personal hygiene instead of what Spain does…

    I quote.. “It’s not bad for a country that has no swimming pools and very little soap.”
    Yes, that was about Britain!!!

  • naysayer47 // August 12, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    I’m not sure how many Chinese read The Spoiler, but as a Chinese, I will say this, the ad is insulting and insensitive.

    Not that I am unhappy with my eyes (I like my eyes), but you just go around making fun of others’ physical features. It’s just not done.

    I’m sure there are a lot of great and wonderful people in Spain (I have lovely Spanish and Morrocan friends in Madrid), so let’s not trash the whole country for the errors of a bunch of morons.

  • Gonzalo // August 12, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    If you don´t understand our sense of humour and if you think we are an underdeveloped, racist and disgusting country PLEASE: stop coming partying and getting drunk to Mallorca, Barcelona, Benidorm, etc…

  • USA // August 12, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    LMAO. Who would want to go to Spain and “get drunk to Mallorca, Barcelona, Benidorm, etc…”

    Racist pricks.

  • miguelito // August 12, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Look, all of you who think that Spain is racist: if you are English, let me tell you that in the entire Europe we think that enought is enought. We are tired to see how alcoholics and drunk (not only occasionaly) English people come to our cities to destroy ornaments in our streets, to throw up in the middle of our walksides, fighting in our pubs, discos, and so on. England is a places ruled by very competent and inteligent people, but a large amount of persons are just simple minds with no idea about what it is out of their borders. They just want sun, beach, beers, and a bit of sex (wich is good but as they use to be drunk, they can’t keep sexual contact after 5 senconds in a row, falling sleept inmediately).
    You say that Spanish are intolerant, then you say that French are chouvinist, Germans squared-head minds, Italians and Greeks darkskin animals and nordic people vikings…well, and what about you? I apologize for the basket AD. But when are you to apologize for all the burden that you use to bring with you when, for example, you came to our cities to follow your fooball team in any European championship? I don’t want Mr.Brown, Blair, Major or Thatcher’s apologize. I want English drunk and violent average hooligan’s apologize. Do you get it?
    Next time that in any of your TV channels, news papers or tourist package we see a man in disguise as a Torero, as a French lover or Italina spagueti-eater, we will take it as a national offence.
    Please, leave Victorian hypocrisy out for a while!! You are not on the top. One thing is what your Government do by law (wich is great because respects all minorities, skin colours, etc. in universities, in labour laws, etc. and other thing is what many not educated English do (they are even racist against their brothers or cousins such as Irish or Scotish).

  • USA // August 12, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Ok, the last person that posted as “USA” is not me (the one who originally posed questions to Daikrieg).

    But I do have to ask Gonzalo, if you call this your “sense of humor”, who exactly are you laughing at and at whose expense?

  • USA // August 12, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    Spain is very unsportsman-like.
    But after this, who would want Spain to host any major sports events…

  • Nixcal // August 12, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    So I guess that posing with a kilt is racist agains Scottish, painting your face in black is racism against negros… and dancing flamenco is racism against gypsies.

    Do you guys have any idea what racism means? Check a dictionary, first, and get a life, secondly.

  • Lucas // August 12, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    This is like the word ‘Jew’. If you find it aggressive, it’s because you are an anti-semite yourself. If you find the slit-eye gesture aggressive, then you are a racist.

    I feel sympathy for those ethnic minorities. With all these PC campaigns, the all-mighty anglo-saxon press is making sure that racism will remain a part of the western culture: “Come on, don’t mock at them. We all know they are inferior, just don’t put the stress on it.”

  • ksw // August 12, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    It’s interesting to read how Spaniards are defending this, that this is not offensive. It may not have been done intentionally to offend anyone, but it is clearly in poor taste, and reeks of ignorance. What if the Olympics were in Africa – would they press their noses down, and stick out their lips?

  • Cheryl // August 12, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    I second pb, nothing of any interest has come out of Spain, let’s all just hope no-one votes for them to hold the Olympics 2016, 2020, 20-never.

  • Lucas=Idiot // August 12, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    Your logic, along with others who do not see the obvious inappropriateness of that picture, is so skewed it’s pointless to even argue with you. I’d have a battle of wits with you but clearly you are unarmed.

  • Cheryl // August 12, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    Oh and @ Miguelito…what has drunk English people trashing your ‘ornaments’ got to do with the fact that sportsmen representing your country are racist? Stay on track.

  • Lucas // August 12, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    Let’s think about the reverse situation: would you find it offensive if the Chinese made the western-eye gesture? Your first thought would be “that’s an aggression”? No, you would simply think “what a silly naive harmless thing”.

    It’s sad to see so many people full of negative prejudices.

  • Francisco // August 12, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    OK. Let’s act as adults. Just for the record: I’m a Spaniard and I tend to agree with what Fonzie said, more than with other comments.
    I think our basket team just intended to make a funny, sympathetic gesture. But it was a naive, awkward thing to do and if it has come across as racist, an apology/explanation should be given. That seems to be the case according to some of the posts here: naysayer47′s for example, with which I also agree and for which, as a Spaniard, thank him.
    Just symbolically, I do apologize to chinese and Asian people, again as a Spaniard.
    As for the other issues mentioned in the posts (monkey chants and so on) I must say I felt terribly ashamed when they happened.
    In case someone is interested I don’t think Spain is especially racist (I travel frequently to Britain, Germany and other European countries and I’ve spent a couple of months in both US and China) but there is racism and any racist action is equally abominable.

  • USA // August 12, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    This is the “real” USA (you’ll know the difference because I don’t use personal attacks or aggressive language).

    Let me try and explain this simply. For those of you who don’t understand why this might be offensive to Asians, I would ask you to think about what stereotypes/representations of your ethnic group really bother or anger you. Whatever that may be, pretend that a high profile person/group said, acted or otherwise expressed and propagated this stereotype in a major media outlet on an international stage and then refused to acknowledge any potential offense it may have caused.

    I’ll make it easy for you; if you’re black, imagine the team in blackface and afros in McDonalds uniforms, if your Mexican, imagine them dressed as peasant field workers and covered in dirt; if you’re Native American, imagine them with headfeathers, an axe and a bottle of booze; if you’re Arab, imagine them in headscarves with AK-47s. The point is that for each ethnic group, negative physical, social and/or economic stereotypes exist. For some ethnic groups the negative stereotypes are physical (i.e. Asian eyes, Black skin/lips), for some they are economic (i.e. Blacks and Hispanics as menial workers and living in the ghetto) and for some they are social (i.e. Asians as perpetual foreigners and passive, Native American drunks, Arab terrorists). For Asians, the negative stereotypes that irk the most are physical and social. For other ethnic groups, the most annoying stereotypes may be social or economic (i.e. Native Americans as alcoholics, Hispanics as busboys).

    Long story short, whether Spaniards want to admit it or not, making the slanty eye gesture is highly offensive to Asians and has a rich history of mockery. I’m only sorry that you refuse to acknowledge that. Perhaps it’s your Spanish “machismo” (I hope you get the irony in that statement).

    The point is is that it’s apples and oranges to compare the different stereotypes that would

    If you still do not understand why this might be offensive to Asians, you really are not trying to understand, but rather letting your “Spanish machismo” clutter your thoughts. I hope you see the

  • USA // August 12, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    “So I guess that …painting your face in black is racism against negros”

    Hate to break it to you Nixcal, but I assure you that that IS offensive to blacks and I encourage you to go ahead and try that and see what happens. May I remind you that that is exactly what some Spaniards did to Lewis Hamilton at the Spanish Grand Prix and I’m know that was not received very well by the black community.

  • Lucas // August 12, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    USA, you are making again and again the same mistake. Being a terrorist is bad, being lazy or dirty is bad. What’s wrong about having slanty eyes? No matter how much you try, we do not share your racist prejudices.

  • Manuel Martinez // August 12, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    I Live in Spain, and I conclude Spain is the most racist country in the world. Outsiders are treated as “inferior” and anyone who is not Spanish is considered “low”. This photograph shows a public sentiment that the chinese are inferior and not worthy of Spanish respect (which is limited to Spanish people). Spain has a horrible history of treating people badly, including being poor sports. The culture is one where only Spain is good, and is respected, only the Spanish are superior, much like a Hilter philosophy. Growing up in Spain, these things are taught as normal. Having traveled the world and then come back home to Spain, I see the disgrace my country has, and this photo makes it even more clear to the world. I’m ashamed, eventhough I love my Spain.

  • miguelito // August 12, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    OH MY GOD!! Please, all English native speaker, CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE WORLD ACCORDING TO A UNIQUE POINT OF VIEW AND THAT IT IS NOT NECESARY THE ONLY ONE?
    I accept that there are racist in Spain, I accept that many Spanish people haven’t got any PC background (and that doesn’t justify their racist attitudes) and that emigration has been a great shock in our monolingual and mono-ethnic former society….ok? I accept, and I reckon, and really I apologize if someone feel offended by our attitudes.
    But please, ALL OF YOU, stop having that kind of SUPERIORITY attitude when you talk about Spain. Most of you doesn’t care to know how rich is our culture. You just come to visit us for fun, for having a time in the beach and get drunk. You, who try to give us advise about how to behave, are the same people who doesn’t care if my land is the country with more cities under UNESCO recognition, even above Italy….you don’t care if we have been the best example about how a society overcome a dictatorship in just few years without any problem….you don’t care if you use my country as the Europena Florida (beaches, sex, drugs), …YOU DON’T CARE IF BY PUBLISHING THIS KIND OF NEWS (knowing that most of Spanish are NOT RACIST becouse most of you have been in my country as a tourist and you repeat again and again) YOU MAKE A BIG PAIN AND OPEN A BIG WOUND IN MY COUNTRY WHICH CAN AFFECT TO ANY SPANISH ASPIRATION AND ILUSION TO HOST ANY MAJOR SPORT IN THE FUTURE!!!
    Maybe you think that we deserve it. Ok, maybe you are right (althought I don’t think so)…but believe me when I say that an important ammount of you (not all, obviously) are that kind of people who feel superior enough to give advise the rest of the world about how to live, how to breath, how to have sex, how to behave and so on, meanwhile your nations are ivading countries, killing people, etc. But your rotten societies (as rottens as mine) don’t care a damm just because most of young people are worry about Big Brother TV-show, or to use a knife to scare half of population of London, or what Paris Hilton is dressing…meanwhile their parents are working insulting Indians, Pakistanies, Mexicans, etc. or are drinking in a pub.

  • Lucas // August 12, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    LOL. “Manuel Martinez”, you are as Spanish as sushi.

  • kimbal // August 12, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    How arrogant! If I racially offended someone I would not think of them as being too sensitive but me being too ignorant. I would be the first to admit that I am not the most culturally cognizant person in the world but if someone told me that I had racially insulted them by “childish” antics, regardless, of how I felt about it, I would appologize and not try to create excuses. How arrogant a person must be to think nothing they do is wrong. It may have been an innocent thing to do, I doubt it, but everyone must own up to their actions. By advocating any actions such as these would only demonstrate insecurity in that you have to belittle an entire race, whom you feel is inferior, obviously, just to feel good about your own shortcomings. By the way, if you read the entire article the crowd, mostly composed of the Chinese People, Bood! Very Loudly! As far as I remember, the Chinese have been very, very, very, hospitable hosts to all countries except in this situation. What would your pride think of that. Would that be evidence enough to say that, yes the chinese found it offensive or will your arrogance try to advocate another reason why it was “ok”?

  • Manuel Martinez // August 12, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    This is my point. I don’t share my fellow country viewpoint and I get punished.

  • Juan // August 12, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    Spain stinks. Face it. Apologize.

  • USAsian // August 12, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    FRANCISCO, it really doesn’t matter what your intentions were because in the end that picture is offensive. Seriously, if Spain won a gold medal in a sporting event and the headlines read “WETBACKS WIN!!!” how would you feel? I mean, the intention was to be funny/cute so you shouldn’t feel bad right? Clearly, I think most people would find that highly offensive.

    Basically exploiting negative stereotypes of any race is insensitive and unnecessary. BTW, LUCAS, if you were adopted and your mom/sister was Chinese and you found her crying one day because a bunch of Spanish kids were doing the slant-eyed gesture at her, how would that make you feel?

  • USA // August 12, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    Lucas, I’m sorry but it is you who are making the same mistake over and over again. What you are right about is that there is absolutely nothing wrong with having “slanted eyes”. Where you are wrong (and a bit naive I might add) is thinking that the slanted eye gesture has no symbolic meeting to many Asians around the world. It IS and has been used repeatedly throughout history as a derogatory expression towards Asians. There really is no gray area here.

    It’s like the middle finger in the US. If I were to give you the middle finger in Spain, you probably wouldn’t care because you would say “it’s only a middle finger, what’s wrong with showing me your middle finger? There’s nothing wrong or bad with a middle finger”. If you were to give an American the middle finger, I’m pretty sure you’d get a more, shall we say, “aggressive” response, especially if you refused to acknowledge that you did it innocently and didn’t mean any offense. Would you keep giving American the middle finger, just because you don’t think anything is wrong with a middle finger?

    Get it yet?

  • kimbal // August 12, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    I am not condemning Spain. I think it is a beautiful country with a wonderful culture and people. Every country has problems with racism and injustices but you cannot condone them. They must be dealt with and made aware of. If not, ignorance and stagnation will only make them the norm leading to hatred and discontent.

  • Lucas // August 13, 2008 at 12:03 am

    It’s interesting to see how the whole world has accepted the western prejudices and beauty standards. If a chinese person makes the western-eye gesture, it’s stupid. If a western person makes the slit-eyed gesture, it’s an aggression. There’s no symmetry, and everyone seems to accept that western supremacy.

  • USAsian // August 13, 2008 at 12:06 am

    Nice USA! Wish I could have come up with that example instead. If Lucas doesn’t get it by now, he’ll never get it. But I will attempt one last time…

    Lucas, in my mind, there’s nothing wrong with the word “Wetback”. I mean sticks and stones right? So may I call you Wetback Lucas?

  • Lucas // August 13, 2008 at 12:07 am

    The middle finger means “get sodomized”. Again, that’s a negative thing. Cannot be compared with having slanty eyes. The more you insist, the deeper you fall.

  • Francisco // August 13, 2008 at 12:08 am

    USAsian,
    Yes, that was my point. I agree with you and that’s why I apologized. I just added an explanation of the origin of the offense as part of the apology and as information for other posters.

    Lucas and other Spaniards (os lo digo con todo el cariño, chicos): I do understand what you mean, it’s not the same thing to make fun of something inherently bad or clear flaw (such that someone is ubly) as pointing out a peculiar but nice or not particularly negative feature (e.g., being blonde or brunette or whatever). In the first case there is no doubt it is a deliberate insult, the other may be just a comment.
    BUT (and it’s a real big but) if that comment happens to hurt the person, an apology is due. You are arguing the Spanish basketball team’s photograph was an instance of the second case.
    I agree but, as USA and USAsian have said, the feelings of the other part (Asian people in this case) are the ultimate criterion to decide whether something is or is not offensive.

  • kimbal // August 13, 2008 at 12:10 am

    I would think both would be equally offensive. I don’t think you can differentiate racism. Racism is racism. Ignorance is ignorance. By the way, two wrongs do not make a right. If someone hit me, would I go and hit someone else just to feel better about it and think that was normal? If so please check yourself in. I’m sure you’ll find plenty of space at the local “get a clue” clinic.

  • USA // August 13, 2008 at 12:11 am

    Lucas, your responses and refusal to address or acknowledge anything I’ve brought up tells me all I need to know. You just don’t get it and aren’t receptive to other points of views.

    You are incredibly naive (not unintelligent, but naive).

  • Francisco // August 13, 2008 at 12:12 am

    Kimbal, please read carefully: that is exactly what I said.

  • kimbal // August 13, 2008 at 12:14 am

    Sorry Francisco. My comment was not directed at you.

  • USA // August 13, 2008 at 12:14 am

    Lucas, I have to laugh. You really missed my point on the whole middle finger analogy. You really do not get it, and I’m forced to take back my assertion that you are not unintelligent. By the way, as an American I can tell you that the middle finger does not mean “get sodomized”.

  • Francisco // August 13, 2008 at 12:15 am

    Oh, sorry for the misunderstanding, Kimbal.

  • USAsian // August 13, 2008 at 12:19 am

    OH MY GOSH! Wetback Lucas still doesn’t get it!!! So depressing. Like a post previously said, your logic is very skewed. Ok, ONE MORE TIME in your own words more or less…

    If a Spaniard calls a westerner a Dryfront, it’s stupid. If a western person calls a Spaniard a Wetback, it’s an aggression.

    You gotta get it by now. I believe in YOU!

  • Sil // August 13, 2008 at 12:25 am

    Hey USAsian..if the headline “Wetbacks win” was posted in regards to the Spanish team, absolutely not one person in Spain would find it offensive.. specially since wetbacks is a term that “americans” used to describe Mexicans.
    Not sure what school you went to but in my school they taught us that Spain and Mexico are two different countries.
    Get an education and then speak!!!!

  • Lucas // August 13, 2008 at 12:25 am

    “Labiodental fricative” means F***:

    http://www.straightdope.com/art/1998/980904.gif

    I’m not into “personal attacks”, as you said. Good nite.

  • Canadian // August 13, 2008 at 12:29 am

    USAsian, actually no Spaniard would be offended by wetback. It’s a derogatory term used against Mexicans swimming across the US Border. But I understand your point.

    I agree that even if the picture was not meant to offend or be racist, it was insensitive and in many ways ignorant. An apology is owed.

  • USA // August 13, 2008 at 12:30 am

    Not really sure what that cartoon means, but ok, Lucas.

    Just for clarity, giving the middle finger means “f*** you”, which does not mean “get sodomized”; It’s meant as a disrespectful gesture with no particular meaning. Hope that clears it up.

  • lauren // August 13, 2008 at 12:32 am

    The Spanish are truly the biggest losers on the European continent. It’s good thing we (the British) crushed them 500 years ago because jerks like them have no business doing anything more than cleaner toilets in bus stations. The reality is, whether any Spaniard likes it or not, China is on an unstoppable trajectory to becoming an economic superpower and with it – at some point, the most modern country on the planet. As a Brit, I would any day prefer to have a relationship with the soft spoken, civilized, and gentle people of China, than with the moronic bull-fighting ignoramuses of Spain and their cavemen-like breed.

  • Lucas // August 13, 2008 at 12:37 am

    USAsian: if you watch a map, you’ll see that Madrid is to the West of Birmingham (England), so actually Spain is more western that any other Euro nation, except Ireland, etc. Actually, we created the Western world in 1492.

    And I’d love to be a wetback… you don’t know how warm August is in Spain!!

  • Francisco // August 13, 2008 at 12:37 am

    Sil,
    I was about to inform USAsian about that piece of data, but NOT in your insulting terms, which I think are completely inappropriate. USAsian is just looking for a comprehensible example to make Lucas understand why Asian people find the photograph offensive.

    USAsian,
    Dorky as its, Sil’s comment is right. Being called “wetback” does not sound offensive in Spain. Maybe that’s the cause of all the misunderstanding? I can’t think of any clear-cut, caricature-like stereotype that is automatically offensive for most modern-day Spaniards. Maybe that’s because (hard to believe, given some of the posts) we Spaniards have been self-criticizing for a long time and have assimilated most of the negative stereotypes.
    That may be an interesting issue for some other time. At any rate, it is clear that stereotypes (deliberate or not) hurt and should be either avoided or mended as soon as they are detected.

  • USA // August 13, 2008 at 12:47 am

    “Maybe that’s the cause of all the misunderstanding? I can’t think of any clear-cut, caricature-like stereotype that is automatically offensive for most modern-day Spaniards.”

    Francisco, you seem to be a very reasonable person and I enjoy the discourse. I think you hit the nail on the head on this one. That is exactly why Lucas fails to comprehend why this may have been offensive to Asians. There is no comparable example to use for modern day Spaniards on a physical basis. Plus I would assume that Lucas lives in Spain and has therefore never experienced significant racism directed at him.

    I can only speculate that Spanish-Americans or recent Spanish immigrants to the US have experienced some level of racism and can understand why certain sensitivities exist, perhaps not on the physical level (to my earlier point about different ethnicities facing different types of racism) but perhaps on the social level (i.e. assumed to be illegal aliens or “wetbacks”).

  • Francisco // August 13, 2008 at 12:47 am

    A further example of what I just wrote: in his post Lauren has made a really big effort to be offensive against us, Spaniards. It’s not a simple stereotype but a whole bunch of them, complete with historical (and only partially accurate) bravado and explicit oathwords.
    And still I don’t feel particularly ashamed or offended. I think it has more to do with ignorance and insecurity on his part, which need not be automatically generalized to all British people, of course.
    If you want to insult a Spaniard in a fast, surgical way, I think you have to fall back on regional or personal features. General Spanish stereotypes just don’t cut it.

  • USAsian // August 13, 2008 at 12:56 am

    Francisco,

    You are much more eloquent than I am and yes, that was the best example I could come up with because my Spanish friend hates being confused as a Mexican due to the negative stereotypes.

    And Canadian, thanks for understanding my point as well.

    Sil,

    Of course I know Mexico and Spain are 2 different countries. Clearly I offended YOU personally even though that was not my intention. But to practice what I preach, I do apologize.

  • Francisco // August 13, 2008 at 12:59 am

    Thanks, USA. I just read your post. Yes, I guess Lucas and many other Spaniards haven’t felt much racism. Nowadays western Europeans tend to get along with one another (on an individual level, not as countries) and not many Spaniards go to USA and those who do, tend not to be too bad off and look caucausian and “euro” so we tend to be safe from most direct racism these days. I think we have to start developing more empathy and fast. Maybe all this basket team photo affair may help us understand??

  • Español // August 13, 2008 at 1:01 am

    Facts:

    #1 I’m Spaniard :P
    #2 The eye gesture is not offensive in Spain. At all. It’s more of a childish thing, as told before 10 times :P
    #3 The ad tried to be affectionate.
    #4 The ad happened to be highly offensive (and hence clumsy); because,
    #5 The eye gesture is offensive for some/many/most? asian people in the world.

    Given that, i think the Spanish Basketball Federation should apologize asap. I think they could even make the most of it an give a slight explanation; i mean, facts 2 and 3.

    I quite agree with all of you.

    Spain is far from being perfect in these issues. I quite agree with some calm (and long) analysis made before by 2 or 3 fellow Spaniards up here. But I think there’s also an important point here: most of us can’t just stand English ppl giving us lessons on racism, or even behaviour. Of course theres good and bad ppl everywhere! But, as a country, all of us are sometimes far from being always perfect. And they’re also the country of the hooligans, the drunkards of the Mediterranean coasts, not to mention the less integrating colonialism, or the most aggresive, biased and insulting journalism of the whole continent.

  • miguelito // August 13, 2008 at 1:06 am

    For Kimbal and Cheryl:
    look, not all Spanish people are racist, not all English are drunk all the time. I am 31 years old. I told above: I apologize if someone felt offended by the AD. I am sure it was not Basket team and Publicity Comany to offend anyone. Believe me.
    Maybe you think that by using so many excuses we are showing off as a sort of racist elite. Don’t be missunderstood. We accept our faults. The problem is when since you’re a child (Spanish one) you grow by watching on TV that a Mexican is the same than a Spaniard for any average American. The problema is when 500 or 400 years later, the rest of the countries accused you for what you ancestor did in SoutAmerica. The problem is when hald Europe accused you of being extremely religious (althought that was in Middle Age or XVII century and not now). The problem is when most of the world doesn’t know that Spain has more female ministers than males and still we are seen as machistas (macho men mentality). The problem is when after suffer almost 40 years of dictatorship (I said SUFFER, such as Chinese are suffering now, Russian in the past , Italians under Mussolini, or Cubans right now) an english well stablish man such as Alex Ferguson is able to make jokes with Franco just because R.Madrid want Ronaldo sign for the team. The problem is when in spite there is not almos native indians in USA, all the people focus on what Spanish did in America but few words are used to talk about what English did in that continent. The problem is when Dan Brown show Spain in one of his novels as an underdeveloped country instead of showing reality (we are among 10th biggest economies of the world). The problem is when by using Opus Dei (religious movement born in Spain) in Da Vinci Code as the bad guys representation, all people think that I (and my Spanish fellows) think that we are very strict catholic people, in spite of the fact that, for instance, me and my friends never have gone to mass. The problem is when rest of the world talk about my country just using topics. The problem is when they accuse me of being racist but the worst experience with racism I’ve ever had was in Brighton (a fantastic town where I studied in the university and I lived for more than two years), when they didn’t let me in a pub just becouse as a board in the door noted: “dogs and Spanish are not allow to come in”. The problema is when English people doesn’t speak anothe language apart from their own English and, therefore, they can’t undestand the real meaning of certain sentences in other language, and they do a literal translation which leads to a mistake and then accuse us of being racist. The problem is that Belgium is remembered by Tintin and Milou comics and Van Damme but not because their dark past in Africa, where they almost killed the entire population of Congo en Central Africa, just a bit more than 100 years ago (and not 300, 400, 500 as Spanish in America…althougt time doesn’t matter) and still we are remembered as violent but not them.
    I love to travel, I love other countries and I hate many things from my own country, believe me. But, please, do not make general oppinions. Instead, read ORIENTALISM from Edward Said and you will undestand many about I am talking about.
    Coming back to sport: Basket players can be as ignorant as any other. I watched on TV few days ago that one of the Spanish players wanted to say something in Chinese and he said: ARIGATO, which is Japanese!!
    HOPE BOTH OF YOU UNDESTAND MY POST AND DON’T FEEL OFFENDED ANY LONGER BY MY FUTURE POSTS.

  • USA // August 13, 2008 at 1:08 am

    Yes, I think the one positive thing that arose out of all this is the dialogue it sparked.

    And yes I would agree that many Spaniards that come to the US tend to be relatively well off and therefore not socially disadvantaged, so perhaps not exposed to much direct racism in the US either. I don’t really fault Lucas (and to a certain extent Sil) for his inability to understand my points firsthand, but I do fault him for refusing to acknowledge that those feelings do exist in this world and that racism is very real and complicated.

  • miguelito // August 13, 2008 at 1:10 am

    By the way, sorry for my mistakes when I write. It’s so late and I am should go to bed,…is hard to write when my eyes are almost close, giving up to drem!! je, je.

  • USA // August 13, 2008 at 1:31 am

    Miguelito, rest assured that your written English is far superior to my written (or spoken for that matter) Spanish, so no apologies necessary.

    I am curious though in exploring this recurring response by many of you about the slanted-eye gesture being something “light-hearted” and “innocent” from childhood that is simply being misunderstood. Believe me, we used to have the same “silly” childhood songs about Asians in the US and I can assure you they are not acceptable today and are not really as innocent as you make them out to be.

    My point being, even though you may have learned these songs/gestures as a kid in the guise of a fun song or in a spirited atmosphere, you really have to wonder why these songs were taught in the first place. I hardly think it is rooted in a sincere desire to celebrate diversity. I don’t think it was taught with malicious intent per say, but I do believe its origin is rooted perhaps unconsciously in magnifying (and lightly ridiculing) differences, not celebrating them.

    In other words, those “lighthearted” childhood songs aren’t as innocent as you may think when you really think about it.

  • Sil // August 13, 2008 at 1:54 am

    USAsian, I don’t offend easily.. Spain has know racism first hand for many years..

    Every country is racist and every country practices some sort of nationalism. To accuse Spain of being racist without citing the rest of the world, is plain ignorant.

    I think that “we” are all forgetting who sponsored the ad that this picture was made for. A Chinese company.. not a Spanish one.. A CHINESE ONE!!! That is the little simple fact that this British article decided to leave out.

    USA, I understand your points, very well. However, we (as in you an I) live in a country where racism is experienced on a daily basis (that is if you really do live in the US). Since we do experience it all the time with racist remarks (such as “wetbacks”, “rednecks”, “porch monkeys”…do I need to go on???). We should be a little more immune to certain things. Specially since we were taught not to judge a whole nation by the actions of a few. Isn’t that the reason why it upsets us that Europe can’t stand us? Becuase we are being judged as a country based on the actions of a few “idiots” (for lack of a better word).

    I’m not siding with Spain or with China.. I’m just reacting to the posts.. I don’t think Spaniards should be called ignorant and I think that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If Lucas wants to defend “his” people then he should be able to.

    Francisco.. if I confused China with Japan then I’d be told to get an education. So please, only defend what concerns you!

  • texmex // August 13, 2008 at 2:01 am

    hey racism is rasism those guys are ignorant plus china has more troops

  • Gibraltar Español // August 13, 2008 at 2:04 am

    Miguelito,

    I don’t think we have to apologyze to anyone except to those who may have been directly alluded by the ad, i.e. the Chinese people. That’s what some redentors would like us to do, and I’m kind of getting tired of that B.S. We have the right to be proud of what we are and show it woithout any complex. Arriba España.

  • Sil // August 13, 2008 at 2:05 am

    See what I mean!

  • USA // August 13, 2008 at 2:17 am

    Sil, don’t know what you are implying when questioning whether I “really live in the US”, but I assure you I do. Do you? Would be happy to verify my citizenship, place of birth and state of residence if you are. Satisfied?

    And it is you who are mistaken. The ad was for a Spanish courier service. Where you are confused is that a Chinese company makes the national teams’ jerseys and sponsors the team.

    As for saying I should be desensitized to the racism we see in the U.S. just because it is commonplace is a very sad statement and I completely disagree. Further, I am hardly judging the whole country of Spain and calling them racists and I challenge you to point out where I ever did or where I ever stated that Lucas doesn’t have the right to his point of view. I just simply disagree with him. Perhaps you should read a bit more carefully next time before making rampant and unfounded accusations.

    Honestly, I don’t see how your points are relevant to anything I have personally said.

  • Gibraltar Español // August 13, 2008 at 2:43 am

    I think it’s very funny to see the headline, always generalizing “Spain bring racism to the Olympic Games”. Typical British tabloid propaganda language. If they want to be serious about information they could start pretty much every news with such realism any day. It’s not like the legacy of what was their empire only 60 years ago is free of racism, see for instance Irak, Palestine, Kashimir, Sudan, Burma, South Africa, just to cite few, and very sorry to say this, but it’s really no different deep inside in the US. Let’s face it, racism is human and universal in magnitude.

  • Gianna // August 13, 2008 at 2:46 am

    I don’t think that the Spanish basketball team meant to hurt anyone with the ad. In reading all your posts you are all right, and you are all wrong.
    The involved parties are the ones that will have to deal with this now.. and what we say doesn’t matter.
    I see people attacking Spain and it’s unfair.. a lot of things are wrong with this picture..
    1. The basketball team shouldn’t of done that
    2. The British shouldn’t of published the picture (they should of minded their own business)

    The Brits are just being instigators here.. they always are. It’s a shame on their part… they are only adding fuel to the fire.

    One more thing, and I am honestly playing devils advocate here.. but for the Chinese trash talking Spain on this website.. please look within your country before you trash talk another.

    We all (every country) need to be better humans!

  • Gianna // August 13, 2008 at 2:49 am

    All I see here is a bunch of people attacking each other. It’s USA against Lucas, Lucas against USAsian… Sil and USA.. STOP IT!!!!

    let’s discuss what happened as adults and give our opinions as adults and respect each others opinions as adults!

  • Gibraltar Español // August 13, 2008 at 2:54 am

    Thank you Gianna! We all need people like you to cool off situations like this.
    So let’s forget this and enjoy the rest of the games.

  • Gianna // August 13, 2008 at 3:01 am

    Thank you.. Good luck to all countries on the rest of the Olympic Games..
    Congrats to Phelps, that man really is amazing!

  • Asian // August 13, 2008 at 3:09 am

    Lucas:

    1. I am an Asian American.

    2. I have found this ad to be highly offensive and ridiculous.

    3. I completely disagree with you that this should simply be seen as an innocent and “sympathetic gesture” towards Asian people.

    4. You scold USAsian for confusing Mexicans and Spaniards, and yet doesn’t that highlight the whole point? They are two separate nations that can be combined into one with a simple generalization such as “you all speak mexican, and eat burritos, and wear sombreros”.

    Nothing inherently wrong with speaking mexican, eating burritos, or wearing sombreros, but such a crass generalization at best is completely moronic and ignorant, at worst racist with malicious intent.

    My guess is this was a the former rather than the latter, however still ignorant and worthy of an apology.

    Just my $.02.

  • USA // August 13, 2008 at 3:12 am

    Gianna, out of curiosity, where do you see any Chinese “trashing” Spain on this website?

    And I would have to respectively disagree with your assertion that ideas, opinions and dialogue have not been exchanged in an “adult” like manner for the most part by the people you have singled out. Can’t speak for others though.

  • Gianna // August 13, 2008 at 3:17 am

    I see a trend with you.. let it go. Why are you always looking for someone to argue with.

    As far as your curiosity goes.. I read every single post because I was intrigued with the article and wanted to see what others had to say. There are many attacks on the Spanish.

    I was saying in general for everyone to act like adults.. not you! I just mentioned you and the others attacking each other. I’m sorry that I offended you by asking you all to stop it.

  • USA // August 13, 2008 at 3:25 am

    Well Gianna, sorry to propagate your impression of me as being willfully argumentative, but when I read something that I disagree with I tend to speak up as opposed to “letting it go” as you suggest. No offense, but if you don’t want to read it, don’t.

    And you didn’t offend me by asking me to stop commenting. I guess we had a misunderstanding.

    Finally, I agree that there have been many unwarranted attacks on Spain on this website, I’m just curious as to why you assumed it was all by the Chinese (please read your own post).

  • Asian // August 13, 2008 at 3:34 am

    Gianna:

    I think you are perceiving rational discourse as an attack.

    IMHO, USA has stated his opinions and has backed his statements up with reasonable logic. If this is an attack, then what is a discussion?

  • Gianna // August 13, 2008 at 3:40 am

    I don’t at all think that you should stop commenting, I just meant arguing. I think that you have excellent things to say and are very educated and respectful in your posts. I just think it’s a waste to see your intelligence go to arguments with people who are not seeing eye to eye. You are all just saying the same things over and over and none of you are getting what the other is trying to say.
    Some of the posts are becoming very disturbing, even to me (and I’m Italian-American). I just think that in today’s day we should all be trying to unite as people.. isn’t that the whole purpose of the Olympics? We shouldn’t be putting each other down… we’ve all suffered, cried, fought and argued as humans.. I think it’s time to stop.
    That’s all I meant by the stop it.

    I’m sorry if I assumed that some Chinese were trash talking Spain but the only one that sticks out without having to read all the posts again was Yao Ming. Please see her two VERY disturbing posts below.

    “I guess the Chinese Women’s basketball team should have all worn walmart tshirts and shorts that were two sizes too small with fake guts (stomachs) hanging out, and put on mustaches, so they could “mock” hispanic women. ”

    “Dumb Mexicans/Spaniard Aliens need to quit wasting our government taxes in America, and go back to Spain/Mexico where they belong.”

  • Gianna // August 13, 2008 at 3:44 am

    Asian:

    It’s not really a rational discourse when people are being called wetbacks and others told to get an education. I am a fan of discussion just not attacking with insult.

    Once again, I apologize..I think you both felt that I was trying to be disrespectful to the man behind the USA posts. Please know that this is not the case at all.

  • USA // August 13, 2008 at 3:47 am

    Oops, I didn’t see those comments by “Yao Ming”. I certainly don’t condone them. Assuming he/she is actually Chinese than I understand your point (although of course”Yao Ming” could actually be anyone of any ethnicity).

  • Gibraltar Español // August 13, 2008 at 3:52 am

    USA, as Gianna pointed out there were a few trashing to different degrees, not necesarily from “Chinese”, which would be more understandable, but some examples are given in comments 1,10, 24, 27, 30, 41, 60, 62(not you), 69, 70… and I got tired of counting. I’m going to bed, it’s not worth it fighting the hypocritical anglo-saxon establishment this late. Maybe another time. You all have a good life.

  • Gianna // August 13, 2008 at 3:52 am

    You are absolutely right :)

  • Asian // August 13, 2008 at 3:53 am

    Lucas and Espanol:

    Both of you have stated that you are Spaniards, and the eye gesture is not offensive in Spain. It’s more of “childish thing”. You also stated the ad tried to be affectionate. This train of thought assaults my common sense.

    First of all, why are you using a childish, ignorant, gesture to pay tribute to the Asian nation that is hosting the Olympics? How is this in ANY way supposed to engender any sort of affection from the recipient? Even if it had no malicious intent, SURELY it had no GOOD intentions either?

    I find it incredibly hard to believe that you would think that a logical person would think portraying slanted eyes would be a great way to honor China or show affection.

    If anything, it shows condescension (sp?). It comes from a position of arrogance. Similar to “I can tell black jokes, because I have friends that are black…” I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard, “It’s not racist, its just funny.”

    While it may seem innocent to you, I believe this devalues the people or ethnic group who happen to be the object of your ridicule, or “affection” as you call it.

  • Bob // August 13, 2008 at 3:58 am

    Not all Chinese people have slanted eyes.

  • Asian // August 13, 2008 at 4:01 am

    Gianna:

    I understand and AGREE that attacks are completely unnecessary. However the quotes you chose are classic examples of exactly what the Spaniards did in this photo!

    Why would Lucas and others ACCEPT and DEFEND the Spanish B-ball team’s racially insensitive gesture, and yet decry the statements below? They are essentially the SAME thing! It’s a condescending stereotyping of an ethnic group. NOT a childish gesture of affection.

    “I guess the Chinese Women’s basketball team should have all worn walmart tshirts and shorts that were two sizes too small with fake guts (stomachs) hanging out, and put on mustaches, so they could “mock” hispanic women. ”

    “Dumb Mexicans/Spaniard Aliens need to quit wasting our government taxes in America, and go back to Spain/Mexico where they belong.”

  • Gianna // August 13, 2008 at 4:07 am

    Asian:

    You are right. I wasn’t by any means defending the picture.. I was defending mankind (if you will) as silly as that sounds.

    I see what you mean about the quotes being like the pictures specially the first one. However, the second one is a completely different beast. That’s attacking an entire race.

    People are always going to defend their own kind. In my own birth country (Italy), we still have people who defend Mussolini and wish we can have someone like him in power. It’s unexplainable, I don’t think it’s done out of harm as much as it is done out of fear.

  • asian guy // August 13, 2008 at 4:07 am

    it’s absolutely racist… the spaniards are ignorant and arrogant. their food sucks and their culture is overrated. good riddance.

  • Gianna // August 13, 2008 at 4:13 am

    To the first Asian:

    Do you see the post by asian guy? That is what I don’t agree with. He is the only ignorant and arrogant one here at the moment. Some people just like to hear the sound of their own voice, I’m sure he is one of those. ;)

  • Tony // August 13, 2008 at 4:14 am

    Spanish women are FAT… they age horribly (get fat and wrinkle like prunes)… and they have hair under their arms and on their lips!

    That is a sad truth for Spaniard men.

  • Ken // August 13, 2008 at 4:15 am

    Silly Spanish people.

    They aren’t too smart, are they?

  • Español // August 13, 2008 at 4:59 am

    @ Asian

    (I guess u were talking to me. I’m not Gibraltar Español though, just “Español”.)

    ” First of all, why are you using a childish, ignorant, gesture to pay tribute to the Asian nation that is hosting the Olympics? How is this in ANY way supposed to engender any sort of affection from the recipient? Even if it had no malicious intent, SURELY it had no GOOD intentions either?.”

    No way. Ok, as u’ve read before from my previous (and only) post, i think the people of the Spanish BBall Federation should apologize. Im not talking about the players, or not only, (If I were a player I would like to have the chance to publicly apologize) but the very President (the boss of the National BBall). So, i guess i’m not suspect of being biased or chauvinist judging this matter, am I? Then, trust me if i tell you that this is just as simple and naive as i told u. Sort of cultural barrier here :P, and hard for me to overcome to properly explain why we actually find and use such gestures, (I’m now talking about childish ones, not offensive, of course), as way to get close to people. I guess they thought: simple, basic, affectionate, no words: straight, let’s do it. I mean, we could talk about the expansivity or the expresivity or the mannerism or… whatever. If we follow the stereotype, and it works, you could understand it if you were, say, italian. But i know this is risky. For example, I’ve got Italian and German friends, and i know even theyve got their cultural barriers in slightly different places.

    Again, they screwed it all up *sighs*

  • Bruce Lee // August 13, 2008 at 6:03 am

    I am Chinese. If someone made this gesture to me I would kick his ass. I wouldn’t care what his intentions were or where he came from.

    Is this simple enough for you Spaniards to understand?

  • Cina // August 13, 2008 at 6:28 am

    Lucas, you are a beautiful person. If you walk with a bow leg, and see a comedy by Charlie Chaplin and all the clumsiness that entails in the entertainment, you’ll be laughing your feet off without offense. Your physical attributes is nothing to be ashamed of. But alas, not all people are like you, so do empathize on it.

  • renemnm // August 13, 2008 at 6:35 am

    Bruce Lee, it’s simple enough to understand that you aren’t rational.

  • Cina // August 13, 2008 at 6:36 am

    Anyway, I personally don’t think the picture was offensive. But picture do paint a thousand words, so it’d have been proper if there had been caption explaining the content or intent rather than leaving it for liberal interpretation of the meaning… it’s an editorial blunder.

  • Bruce Lee // August 13, 2008 at 6:56 am

    Renemnm,
    When you offend someone, don’t expect them to care how you rationalize your racism. Just be ready for the consequences.

  • renemnm // August 13, 2008 at 7:14 am

    Bruce Lee,
    If someone (“A”) makes a gesture with neither racism nor offensive connotations and another one (“B”) perceives it as racist or offensive and also has a violent response, “A” can has his ass kicked but he didn’t do anything wrong, “B” is who did something not ethical.

    It’s OK to consider something racist/offensive (or the opposite) due ignorance, but it’s really stupid to have a violent response.

  • Cina // August 13, 2008 at 7:19 am

    Bruce Lee, name suits the attitude. I’m descendant of dragon too and I surely wouldn’t want to hang around with you… it’s just that I’m afraid that any misconstruction of my action or word by you will land me in hospital. You don’t give people chance to explain and you don’t really care. :)

  • elena from spain // August 13, 2008 at 7:36 am

    Like other spanish that have wrotten here, I agree with no-spanish would consider this geste offensive (more o less like they would be in scotland and wore a kilt, or in USA a cowboy hat), but if it is offensive for chinese peolple, they sould apologize for the offence made without intencion.

  • xiabre // August 13, 2008 at 8:31 am

    It’s a stupid thing! and Tony nunca ha estado en España, por eso cree esas cosas de las mujeres españolas ; cuando se emborracha, al salir del pub ve culos gordos y cree estar en Mallorca y así le va la vida.
    Esta tontería es ¿porque os faltan medallas? pues en lugar de beber ¡hacer más ejercicio!

  • xiabre // August 13, 2008 at 8:35 am

    Manuel Martinez, si tu eres español yo soy irlandesa.

  • xiabre // August 13, 2008 at 8:36 am

    Al final va a ser cierto que se os va el mundo por la botella de cerveza! La ignorancia que mostrais más allá de vuestra pinta de cerveza es pasmosa. ¡pero como vais a saber como es España, si cuando venis aquí estais la mitad del tiempo en coma etílico!

  • naysayer47 // August 13, 2008 at 9:34 am

    As offensive as I find the ad to be, I honestly don’t think the Spanish athletes have any malice or racist intentions toward the Chinese. I think it was just sloppy, naive and ignorant for it to have passed the copy editors.

    Having said this, I think they should apologize and learn from this mistake and just move on.

    And yes, I am Chinese.

  • Almirant Nelson // August 13, 2008 at 9:47 am

    Como os gusta a los de la prensa anglosajona mover temas sobre racismo y que tengan que ver sobre lo políticamente correcto. Pero bueno.. no hay más que ver los sitios en los que se publican estas cosas como este blog…

  • helge // August 13, 2008 at 10:16 am

    While the ad was more of a faux-pas (but one in need to be investigated and apologized for) most of the responses (elena is an exception) in here are good for showing something more sinister: that USA’s comparison would most likely happen as well.

    “What if the Olympics were in Africa – would they press their noses down, and stick out their lips”
    “Let me ask you one last thing. If the Olympics were in Africa, would the Spanish team paint their faces black and wear afros and publish that picture in their newspaper? I think not.”

    I think Yes…and they would say: this is not racism in Spain, look at the Moros and Cristianos…also children do paint their faces and you English and Americans are anyway much worse …

    Very very unfortunate…

  • helge // August 13, 2008 at 10:20 am

    …just like Almirant Nelson in fact: Anglosaxons should not lecture the Spanish- how about the numerous Chinese here- they made it quite clear that to them it is offensive but do they matter?

  • Almirant Nelson // August 13, 2008 at 10:37 am

    OOOOhhhh soy malo, muy malo… Porque soy español y me defiendo de las acusaciones de racismo de algunos anglosajones que en su turbia cultura de lo políticamente correcto piensan que hacer ese gesto es racista… Sois vosotros los que tenéis el problema en vuestra cultura con estos temas.

  • Asian // August 13, 2008 at 10:46 am

    Gianna:

    Thanks for the clarification. I only included you in on the last post, b/c there is a general feeling of indifference or, excusing offensive behavior towards what they did. Do I think it was the worst thing in the world? Of course not. Not even close, however I still believe it reeks of arrogance and ignorance.

    You wrote:
    “Then, trust me if i tell you that this is just as simple and naive as i told u. Sort of cultural barrier here :P, and hard for me to overcome to properly explain why we actually find and use such gestures, (I’m now talking about childish ones, not offensive, of course), as way to get close to people. I guess they thought: simple, basic, affectionate, no words: straight, let’s do it. I mean, we could talk about the expansivity or the expresivity or the mannerism or… whatever. If we follow the stereotype, and it works, you could understand it if you were, say, italian. But i know this is risky. For example, I’ve got Italian and German friends, and i know even theyve got their cultural barriers in slightly different places.”

    Yes, I agree there are “cultural barriers”. But their response (according to the original article) shows an arrogance in their unwillingness to apologize or even UNDERSTAND this could be construed as offensive. The fact that they are baffled by the media’s response shows a natural arrogance. It isn’t childish. It’s objectively arrogant and offensive.

    While I completely agree there are and will continue to be “cultural barriers”, this still does not give carte blanche access to freely go and offend other cultures, races, genders, etc. under the pretense of “cultural barriers”.

    Again, I stress we are not in disagreement here – I just think that the overall tone for defending their actions is based on, “no it wasn’t meant to be offensive”…”you just didn’t get the joke!”… “Everyone is too pc”.

  • helge // August 13, 2008 at 10:49 am

    there you have it. again it is not the ‘Anglosajones’ that have a problem – just ask the Asians here and they generally tell you that it is people like YOU.
    And hiding your pathetic attitude behind your language from most readers in an English-speaking blog is simply cowardly or worse arrogant.

  • Francisco // August 13, 2008 at 10:53 am

    Almirant Nelson, Here is Francisco from Spain, I’ve got something to tell you. Just for reference: I already posted on this and I’m willing to translate this into Spanish in case it helps you understand my point.
    I’m Spaniard, proud to be (not so much at this moment, though) and suspicious of British (or elsewhere’s) tabloids.
    BUT
    As some people have already told you, the main issue here is not tabloids or black-legend past or Spanish pride. The main thing has to do with Asian people and THE FACT that they’ve been offended by an action, which was not intended as racist but which is profoundly, utterly dorky.
    Keeping arguing about tabloid agenda and stuff and ignoring the issue of Asian people’s feelings on this topic is disrepectful. I really really don’t want to attack you in any way but your present attitude is really not helping.

  • Tanque // August 13, 2008 at 10:58 am

    Come on you anglo/americans defenders of the political correctness: go on and sort out all the shit you have made in Irak (and so many other places). Go on invading countries to give them ‘democracy freedom’. At least Spain had the decency to quit and make up for that big error.
    If Chinese or Asian people do feel molested by this ad, I will be the first one to apologize. My apologies to them, not to you guys: your comments and remarks about Spain are completely full with RACISM, much harder than this ad could ever be.
    And, by the way: Was Fawlty Towers racist to Spanish people because of the Manuel character (pronounced Man-well by Basil)? Me or any of the Spanish people who used to laugh out loud with that program did never consider so, because prejudices are to be corrected by inteligence… I/We still think it is a masterpiece of humour and irony.

    Now you can go on with your idiocy. As I said, I won’t apologize to none of you. Get lost!

  • helge // August 13, 2008 at 11:12 am

    Respect, Tanque
    I guess this settles it for good. It is quite strange that the usual English mockering is not in place with the Olympics- too much money and big corporations that are making sure its all in line.
    Let us hope though that we are broadly steering to a more tolerant and less insensitive world despite missing out on some antics here and there.

  • Francisco // August 13, 2008 at 11:19 am

    Hey Tanque just made an interesting point (which, of course does not excuse his bad language: dudes won’t you learn to write politely and avoid gross language, learn from some of the other posters: USA, USAsian, Naysayer, …).

    The point is that about Manuel’s character in Faulty Towers. If you don’t know that British series, look for it in youtube.
    No Spaniard I know is ever offended by this over the top, stereotypical depiction of an ignorant Spaniard. We even tend to enjoy it. I certainly do.

    This stresses a point I made earlier. We Spaniards aren’t usually upset by stereotypical caricatures of our country but try that with a caricature of a Spanish political party (PSOE or PP) and hell will break loose!!
    USA said, and I agree, that that Spanish attitude to national stereotypes stems from a recent past free of racism againts Spaniards.

    Again, this is of course not meant to be an excuse, just an explanation. I’ve written before and I repeat now that I do apologize to Asians and consider the BB team should do the same. The consequences of this hillibilly, easy-going, ignorant attittude of ours are still offense to other human beings, who have felt racism and hatred and do not and should not take these things lightly.

    We Spaniards MUST change our ways.

    The best characterization of the Spanish attittude in this issue is maybe that of this page:
    http://rubechat.kfan.com/forums/thread/3299136.aspx

    They argue we Spaniards are like the obnoxious grandfather who makes embarrassing racist jokes at family meetings and does not even realize they may be offensive.

    If I had any say on this matter I’d do the following: take a new photograph of the BB team featuring grossly anti-Spain stereotypes (laughing at ourselves is always healthy) and make it public in a press conference where an apology and a homage speech to Chinese and Asian people is read.

  • miguelito // August 13, 2008 at 11:50 am

    The but thing about this is that I have to read post like the one above wich said that we (Spanish) just go to UK to clena toilets and call us ignorant from the cave.
    HAS ANYONE BEEN IN UK NOT FOR TOURISM? Be honest: are they racist? YES.
    Do their racism justify our racism? NO
    Are they drunk everytime they go out? YES
    Do we use to go to UK to learn languages and we work in bad jobs (cleanig toilets, etc.) and at the end we don’t really learn proper Englishs? YES
    Do English people speak other language but English and they expect that a waiter in Spain has to speak in English to them and if not they took almost as a offence? YES
    Are (generally) English people proud of their culture, society, and history (in spite their Imperialism policy in the past)? YES
    Are Spanish people proud of their history (including the burden of killings in America)? NOT ALL, as we used to be shamed to talk about it in many cases.
    Are English tabloids a shit in a stick? YES
    Are Spanish Sport newspapers a shit in a table? YES
    AM I TIRED TO READ HOW MUCH THEY HATE US, HOW MUCH RACIST WE ARE AND SO ON? yes.
    HAVE I ALREADY APOLOGIZE FOR THE AD AND STILL PEOPLE IS TALKING ABOUT MY COUNTRY AS A SHIT IN A STICK ON THE TABLE AND NOBODY IS GIVING ME APOLIGIZE FOR USING REFERENCES TO FRANCO, DICTATORSHIP, CAVES, UNDERDEVELOPMENT, ETC,? YES.
    Will I feel sorry and pity for those tourist who came to my country by knowing what they think about my land? NO
    Do I prefer they keep coming to my country in orther to gain more money by tourism activities? YES
    Do I feel sympathy for them? NOT
    Do I have friends from other countries? YES
    Does it mean that by having friends from other countries I am going to feel sympathy for tourit who get drunk in my country and have sex in the beach totally drunk? NOT
    Do I still want to see them caming to my country and leaving pounds, dollars in my economy? YES
    Do I should apologize for saying that English people are drunk people? YES
    Did I speak about drunk English, etc just because I felt offended by the way (I insist; BY THE WAY) they talked about my people using references to our history, etc.? YES
    Do I accept that the AD of all this issue can offend Asian people in spite the fact that it was not the aim? YES
    Do I accept critics about the AD but no critics about culture in such a rubbish way as someone has already pointed out here? YES, (I ACCEPT CRITICS FOR THE AD, NOT THE WAY THEY ARE DOING IT)
    Do I would like to see English people writing in Spanish newspapers’ blogs talking about the issue, in Spanish language? YES
    Do I think that food in Spain, France, Italy, Greece, , Finland, Germany, Sweden, Norway is better than in England?YES
    Do I would like to go back to UK to study or to work for a while? WHY NOT?
    Do I hate English native speaker? NOT
    Do I would like if English native speaker who are written in this blog can use their mother tongue as Oscar Wilde or Mark Twain ironic touch used to do it? YES
    Should I apologize for my English? I DID BEFORE, IN OTHER POST….
    Do I still invite people to my country to enjoy Sangria (but not to get drunk) to forget all this complex issue in orther to have a summit to resolve it? YES.

  • jaume // August 13, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    i am from spain, living in the uk, and i have a few chinese friends in here. i let them see the picture, explaining the meaning, and they found it no offensive at all. enough said

  • Francisco // August 13, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    Jaume,
    Thanks for your little research. It shows that not every Asian feels immediately offended by the photograph. I even have the feeling (although I’m ready to be corrected) that most offended people might not be native mainland Chinese but rather people of Asian origin born and raised in Western countries (Chinese-American, Japanese-Australian, …) who have felt discrimination personally or in their recent family past.

    But the issue still remains that some, even many Asian people are offended. So an apology is still owed at least to them. Some Asian people have expressed their feelings in this blog. In the comments at the El Mundo newspaper web site a Japanese girl, in perfect Spanish made it clear that she felt hurt, and so on. Even offending one single person is wrong.

  • Almirant Nelson // August 13, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    ¡Hola Paquito!, hay confianza ¿no? Al fin y al cabo hablamos el mismo idioma. Tú y yo sabemos como las demás personas inteligentes que de haberse considerado ofensivo el anuncio no se habría publicado en España. Y la verdad es que el gesto no pretende serlo. El problema está en que Mr. Sid Lowe, colaborador de The Guardian que vive en España desde hace años y que conoce la cultura española, envió el 11 de agosto un artículo donde se deja caer la posibilidad de que esa imagen pueda causar reacciones en contra de sus hospitalarios anfitriones los chinos. Tras lo cual otros medios anglosajones se hacen eco y comienzan a acusar a la selección de racista. ¿Pero que es lo que ha ocurrido en realidad? Que solo los medios anglosajones se han hecho eco de este “racismo galopante español”. ¿Que es una torpeza? Pues sí, se lo podían haber ahorrado. Pero no estoy dispuesto a aceptar las acusaciones de racismo de los “tabloids” estos y de un periodista que viviendo en España torpedea a su gente inventando y sugiriendo polémicas.
    Bye

  • Francisco // August 13, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    Hola Almirante.

    Quick translation of almirant Nelson’s post for the others: he complains about tabloid manipulation and states he’s not ready to accept accusations of racism from the yellow press, which may have even hidden interests. He claims that Sid Lowe, correspondent of “The Guardian” in Spain may have orchestrated the quick diffusion of the photograph. He nonetheless recognizes the photo was awkward.

    My reply:
    Sorry if I’m hammering my point. I just want to reply you politely (your post surely was friendly and I appreciate it). The thing is that FIRST we must apologize to offended Asian people, which are the main point of concern, both on ethical grounds (which is my main interest) and as way of cleaning Spain’s image (a secondary but also worthy interest).
    Then, after an apology is given and accepted you can go on and war against tabloid manipulation, which is also a just cause, no doubt about it.

  • a. // August 13, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    Jaume – maybe they did find it offensive, but didn’t want to tell you to your face, being Spanish and all, in fear of being perceived as a “bad friend” or an ungracious host (if they were at your house).

    I’m telling you right now, if a Chinese person gave a group of native/mainland Chinese this picture and told them, “This is the Spanish basketball team making the ‘Eastern’ wink,” they would find it offensive.

  • Rocco // August 13, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    What the hell is wrong with you people. You all sound like a bunch of cry babies. It sounds like 2 kids crying about how the other is touching him.
    GET OVER IT
    Stop the bull and get your self a real life.

  • a. // August 13, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Lucas – and just what, pray tell, is the “Western eye gesture?” I would very much like to be enlightened by your vast knowledge of all things eastern and western.

    I think James from the NYT board said it best:

    “So by the logic of many here, I can go up to any black person from Africa and press my finger against my nose to flatten it or spread my lips because (to paraphrase your words), Africans have flat noses and big lips so they should not take offense at my “tribute” to their racial characteristics. Okay, go ahead and try this experiment and report the results back to us.”

  • Asian // August 13, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    Francisco:

    You wrote:
    “Again, this is of course not meant to be an excuse, just an explanation. I’ve written before and I repeat now that I do apologize to Asians…”

    Thank you for your heartfelt apology, but unless you were a part of this photo – I don’t feel that its necessary! :)

    “… and consider the BB team should do the same”.

    Agreed.

    “The consequences of this hillibilly, easy-going, ignorant attittude of ours are still offense to other human beings, who have felt racism and hatred and do not and should not take these things lightly”.

    Agreed.

    “We Spaniards MUST change our ways.”

    I know I can’t speak for the culture as a whole – (as I am sure there are ignorant, arrogant, idiots roaming all towns across the world) – so I will take your word for it. Certainly all countries and cultures could benefit and be enriched by gaining a greater understanding each other’s culture better.

    Hey maybe we should consider the Olympics as a venue for that?

    “If I had any say on this matter I’d do the following: take a new photograph of the BB team featuring grossly anti-Spain stereotypes (laughing at ourselves is always healthy) and make it public in a press conference where an apology and a homage speech to Chinese and Asian people is read.”

    I would be floored if they went to these lengths.

    I think a simple acknowledgement that this was done in poor taste and an apology would be all anyone could ever expect.

    Thanks for taking the time to provide the link and describing the cultural environment. Helpful to know for any future encounters I may have with Spaniards.

  • From Spain with Love // August 13, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Come on Bryan! You can not say that´s discrimination if the picture promoting this site is David Beckham giving it all to that poor guy!

  • Lucas // August 13, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    The Chinese Embassy in Spain (that is, the Chinese government) has issued a note saying that they don’t find that picture offensive. All settled. A nice lesson of maturity for all these childish hysterical brits.

    Will The Spoiler, The Guardian and The NYT apologize for trying to create a problem where there wasn’t one? Probably not, they will keep on watching the world with their racist, resentful eyes.

  • KAT // August 13, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    I have a Spanish teacher, who once complained about how Americans took things too seriously. In Spain, they can call a fat person “fatty” and it is not offensive, it is affectionate, while in the U.S. it would be mean. I understand that.

    This appears to be the same argument that the Spanish make – their photo is not racist because Chinese people DO have slanted eyes.

    But that’s WRONG. If it were true, then it would not be a problem. Believe it or not, there are lots of Asian people who do NOT have slanted eyes, but for some reason, everyone in the world likes to focus on the ones that do. IF you have traveled to various parts of Asia, you would agree with me. This stereotype seems offensive to me.

    FURTHERMORE, calling black football/soccer players “black” is ok because it’s true, but “black shit?” Is that not racist? Or acting like a monkey when black players come out on the field? Are you telling me that calling black people monkeys is not offensive because it’s true? Somebody from Spain enlighten me. I’m not angry, I would just sincerely like to know your opinion.

  • Gerard // August 13, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    What about the apartheid and the native americans. What about the australian natives? Spanish make fun of others, you just kill, separate and destroy the others… Remember and then speak.
    Fools

  • Lucas // August 13, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Regarding this message:

    http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/index.php/2008/08/11/spain-bring-racism-to-the-olympic-games#comment-17708

    The situation is this:

    ‘A’ makes a friendly gesture towards ‘B’.
    ‘C’ shouts: “Oh my God, ‘A’ is a racist!!” .
    ‘B’ says: “Why is ‘A’ a racist?”.

    Question: Who is actually a racist?

  • Gerard // August 13, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    … and of course HYPOCRITES. The biggest ones in the world.

  • Lucas // August 13, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    The Chinese Embassy in Spain (that is, the Chinese government) has issued a note saying that they don’t find that picture offensive. All settled. A nice lesson of maturity for all these childish hysterical brits.

    Will The Spoiler, The Guardian and The NYT apologize for trying to create a problem where there wasn’t one? Probably not, they will keep on watching the world with their racist, resentful eyes.

  • Lucas // August 13, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    “In Spain, they can call a fat person “fatty” and it is not offensive, it is affectionate, while in the U.S. it would be mean. I understand that.”

    I don’t unserstand that. Which Spanish word for ‘fatty’ do you refer to?

    And once more: you are always assuming that having slanty eyes is something bad. Who taught you that?

  • dmt // August 13, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    I think Spain should be disqualified from competing. Like all racists, the Spaniards don’t believe that they are racist or have done anything wrong. It is a cognitive dissonance that condones disrepectful and harmful behavior. It is probably what occurred in Nazi Germany before the holocaust. The world should shut Spain out!

  • Gerard // August 13, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    dmt where are u from? England? How do you feel after killing thousands of people in the west indias and in Australia? USA? How do you feel killing native american, helping Osama and Hussein. Helping the african tribes to kill each other and then go every where as the kings of the world. As I said before HYPOCRITES. And you are the Nazis, American and English Nazis. The oldest, the originals, the geniuin. Hitler was just a bad copy.

  • USA // August 13, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Lucas, I hardly think the Chinese embassy/government can speak for all Asians let alone all Chinese. I know that as an American, my government certainly did not speak for me when it decided to go to war in Iraq. I surely hope I am not judged based on what my government has done in that regard. I’m curious if you allow the Spanish governmen/embassies/around the world unequivocally speak for you on all matters. Hmmm, I’m guessing not.

    And Gerard, I personally have never killed a Native American, had a slave, etc. Comparing that to what the Spanish bball team did is totally apples and oranges, sorry.

  • Timmy // August 13, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Dont pay attention to dmt. He’s a troll working for The Spoiler.

  • Quini // August 13, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    Oh, Brits, so many years spending the summers in Spain and you still don’t have a clue about the Spanish character. We are very ‘physical’ in the way we express: for example an Spaniard married to a black man or a black woman would call him/her ‘mi negro’ or ‘mi negra’ and that obviously is NOT a racist remark. During the Euro celebrations Pepe Reina called dwarfs to Silva and Cazorla dwarfs and to Güiza ‘gitano’ and none in Spain made any fuss about it.

    In Spain that gesture pretending to be chinese doesn’t mean anything offensive and more important THE CHINESE EMBASY IN SPAIN HAS SAID THAT CHINA DOESN’T CONSIDER IT TO BE OFFENSIVE EITHER…so if the Chinese people themselves DON’T feel insulted by this gesture, then why you UK and US have to misinterpret every gesture the Spaniards make us look as if we were the most racist country in the world when OBVIOUSLY your countries are WAY MORE RACIST THAN US. First thing you have to learn is about the way Spaniard are and not misinterpret the things you don’t understand.

  • Lucas // August 13, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    USA, do you realize what you are doing? you are deciding that a friendly gesture towards China was a racist one, even when the representatives of China are denying that. There’s a very nice word for it: hatemonger.

  • Spaniard // August 13, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    English journalists talking about racism? LOL

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4360316.ece

    (Of course the above was not published at Guardian, but instead in a non- tabloid serious journal as Times)

    Respect to the ad, it is not racist for spanish standars (Lithuanians basketball players wore a “torero”(bullfighter) costume last basketball european championship at MAdrid, and no one talked about racism or mockering), but if some people feel offended, spanish federation should apologize.

    By the way, CHina embassy has said that they don’t consider the ad as racist, so I think the racist problems against chinese people are really at UK and USA…..

  • WHAT????? // August 13, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    OK.. let’s just think for a minute..
    Who gives a crap about China? yep, not ME!!
    Let’s all go ahead and defend a COMMUNIST country, where people have no rights!!!
    We put an embargo on Cuba but deal with China.. if it wasn’t for the world of bad marketing, China would have been blown up by now! Who cares about the Chinese! Are they still aborting babies (if the first born is a woman)? OH, YES they are!
    Forget China, forget racism and let’s deal with more important things.. such as what’s going on in Russia and Georgia.. Or are the British and Americans too stupid to know about that.

  • Me // August 13, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    So I guess we’ve got new elements here:

    - People A *using their codes* use that gesture to show affection.
    - People B (Chinese Embassy) states that they don’t find it offensive. I guess that could be a «we got it».

    - People C *using their codes* find that gesture offensive and criticize people A.
    - People D find it offensive and criticize people A.
    - And, let’s be honest here too and assume all the offensive thing comes mostly from a tradition of racial problems between peoples C and D.

    Where are we now? I mean, is this issue still the very same than 2 days ago?

    Where are the limits to this attempt of cultural colonization (ha!) and assumption of anyone else’s PC and, say, ghosts of racist issues?

    HONESTLY: Would people from UK accept critics and even correct theirselves if they actually were people A? Honestly, again, I don’t think so. AT ALL. (I think Americans would do, on the other hand).

    I mean, right now I honestly don’t know what’s ok or sick PC…

  • Lucas // August 13, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    The sad thing is all these english hatemongers don’t see why they are wrong. Their racism is so deeply rooted that they simply don’t understand what’s going on.

  • Quini // August 13, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    Yeah, and for the people saying that the Chinese Embassy doesn’t represent what Chinese people think: Spanish reporters have been asking to Chinese people living in Spain and to Chinese people in Beijing if they think the gesture is offensive and NONE of them felt insulted by it. Overall they said that they found the gesture to be funny and/or friendly. So I guess, the problem is ONLY in the eyes of the UK and US journalists who wrote the article and obviously wanted to generate troubles.

    Maybe you don’t believe it, but not the whole world consider offensive or insulting the same things UK/US consider offensive. And this gesture is not meant to be offensive in Spain. Nor in China apparently.

  • USA // August 13, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    WHAT???? You’re an ignoramus and have probably never left your native land. Where is that exactly by the way?

    Lucas, once again you fail to address any of the points I made in my post.

  • I AM WIN // August 13, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    “I think Spain should be disqualified from competing. Like all racists, the Spaniards don’t believe that they are racist or have done anything wrong.”

    LOL, yes, Spaniards are xenophobic and judgemental, not at all like the Anglo Saxons who nicely point this out over and over…

  • WHAT????? // August 13, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    USA.. I live in the same great country that you live in!!! Ignoramus??? No that wouldn’t define me.. but it does define you and most of the people on here.. Deal with some real issues..
    Come on.. what did the americans do to the indians that lived here, we put them in concentration camps.. the same thing that Hitler did to the jews.. YET, what Hitler did was wrong!
    Ignorant bunch of fools.. There is nothing worse than the US and UK combined, the two most racist countries on the globe!

  • The Queen // August 13, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    hey I’m english, im in spain the only racist acts i have seen in spain have been provoked by english ignorants, who go to other countries and expect to find fish and chips and pubs to drink, get drunk and vomit it up everywere as if they owned the place. ive never seen anything like that coming from any spanish people in any other country. when im in spain i wish i didnt have a british passport thats how ashamed i am.

  • USA // August 13, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    WHAT???? I will say this one more time. Please read this slowly and let it soak in. Your vitriole towards China shows your prejudice towards the country and all its people. Therefore, your comment that “who cares about the Chinese” is in fact very ignorant and borderline racist. I am ashamed that you are a fellow American. I can only assume 1) you lost your job at an American company that outsourced to China or 2) you have never visited anywhere remotely close to China. Please don’t shed alligator tears for the Human rights of those Chinese that you apparently don’t care about. Give me a break.

  • Juan José // August 13, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    Good afternoon the Guardian journalists,

    You may probably try to distract people with this kind of paranoia articles, accusing the Spanish sport from racism, where only sympathy is clearly shown in the photography of the actual world champion’s Spanish basketball team. You should probably look first at yourselves with the constant display of real physic aggressions by the hand of your hooligans everywhere they go. Or you should probably look at the real discrimination and criminal organization called the KKK located in the home of your big brothers. Or perhaps you may probably better look to your support to the illegal invasion, where thousands of innocent civilians die by the instability created in Iraq by the failed intervention. Since Spain retired the troops from Iraq has been a constant campaign against my country and our successful sport world to rubbish us with racism accusations of maximizing the doping cases, meanwhile innocent people is killed in Iraq. You are surely not be the best example to accuse anybody of anything. Look first at yourselves and try to put the balls in the nets instead of bullets in the heads, perhaps you may become one day European football champions, like Spain, instead of suffering from endemic jealousy, something more related to the losers.

    Have a nice evening.
    Juan José Vallejo
    ESPAÑA

  • WHAT????? // August 13, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    USA.. sorry but I have not lost my job at all.. as a matter of fact our cleaning crew is Chinese.. great people! Too bad the women aren’t allowed to speak without the men’s permission! I too am ashamed that you are american also, you’re probably from some small little town where the media tells you what to think.. let me guess, you voted for Bush???
    Yeah, and sorry to bust your bubble.. but I’ve traveled to many places.. unlike most fellow americans, my passport actually has stamps in it. But you’re right about one thing, I would never go to China.. nor do I buy Chinese.. there’s already enough of their crap in the world.

  • USA // August 13, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    WHAT???? I will say this one more time. Please read this slowly and let it soak in. Your vitriole towards China shows your prejudice towards the country and all its people. Therefore, your comment that “who cares about the Chinese” is in fact very ignorant and borderline racist. I am ashamed that you are a fellow American. I can only assume 1) you lost your job at an American company that outsourced to China or 2) you have never visited anywhere remotely close to China. Please don’t shed crocodile tears for the Human rights of those Chinese that you apparently don’t care about. Give me a break. And for the record, I am well aware of the past atrocities of our country. That is not even at dispute. Comparing our past atrocities to current day acts of racism is ridiculous. It is also interesting (read hypocritical) that you seem to take issue with those who are criticizing the Spanish bball team for the controversial ad based on the argument that we as Americans have committed past atrocities. Funny how that logic doesn’t apply to your vitriolic criticism of the Chinese. That’s what we Americans call ‘hypocrisy’.

  • Brian // August 13, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    I have friends of African descent who live in Spain and love it (Granada). I’ve been twice and really like the country. But, I’ve heard about the bananas thrown at footballers, the shoddy treatment of sub-Saharan Africans, and recall the ads for a Iberia Airlines’ Madrid to Cuba line that featured a baby imploring dark-skinned “mulattas” to feed him and take him to his crib. So, when I hear that in Spain the ad wouldn’t be thought of as racist, I don’t doubt it. But the fact that it isn’t playing well to the rest of the world and that someone didn’t realize that is a problem

  • USA // August 13, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    Actually WHAT???? I live in one of the biggest cities in our country and am highly confident I both more highly educated and well traveled than yourself. Try again ace. And while you’re at it,stop talking about something you know nothing about.If you knew anything, you would know that the sh@t you spew is exactly what CNN spews so it is clearly you who get your news from them. Once again, try again

  • WHAT????? // August 13, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    USA.. you seem like a man that reads the NYT? correct.. I want you to go back to about two weeks ago and read the article about how a mexican man was beat to death by three americans in PA. That my friend IS A MODERN SIGN OF RACISM. KILLING PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT IS A MODERN SIGN OF RACISM. Do you honestly think that this country only did racists things in the past. TAKING OVER A NATION IN ORDER TO GET THEIR OIL IS A SIGN OF RACISM.. oh yeah, and hypocrisy! Do you honestly think I don’t see what goes on around us every day!

    Like I said before.. SCREW CHINA, SCREW THE UK and SCRE THE US.

  • WHAT????? // August 13, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    USA… I HIGHLY doubt that you are more educated than I am… HIGHLY! We can compare resumes if you’d like.. As far as living in one of the biggest cities in our country.. what borough would that be? Becuase it sure as hell isn’t the only I live in.
    Actually, I haven’t read CNN.. in many years! And I don’t think what the media tells me to think which is why I can form my own opinion. Unlike you.. China is great right??? All hail the chinese.. modern day slave drivers!

  • WHAT????? // August 13, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    and finally.. what is it that I am talkig about yet know nothing about.. please enlighten me dear USA.. enlighten me, and impose your power on me as your country continues to do on a daily basis.. Please, tell me what to think and how to act.. I would be lost without your help.

  • USA // August 13, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    Uh, where did I say that racism doesn’t still exist in America? I only mentioned the past atrocities that YOU yourself brought up.
    You have obviously not read all my posts very carefully (go way back).

  • olivia // August 13, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    “Spain bring racism to the Olympic Games”

    Learn to put together a sentence and then speak. A sentence has to quantity, Spain being a country of millions would be plural not singular. Therefore, it would be Spain brings..

    just thought i’d get that out there.

  • WHAT????? // August 13, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    Thank you Olivia for correcting the grammar in the headline???? OK?????? Strange!

    USA.. by any chance, are you a lawyer?? I like the way you twist things around and change stories in order to have it agree with your argument. You are wasting people’s time with your comments.

  • chris // August 13, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    it might not be offensive to any of the spainards but it is offensive any asian who looks at this picture. What a bunch of morons, but hey what do you expect from a backwards society like spain. bunch of racist pricks.

  • olivia // August 13, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    Hey… WHAT????? … What did I do to you??? I teach at Oxford and these things bother me! I believe journalist should learn to write before they take on an article!

  • WHAT????? // August 13, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    backwards society?? you aren’t chinese right?

  • chris // August 13, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    “By the way, Spain has had an ethnic minority before any other European nation: the gypsies.”

    Don’t they kill gypsies in spain? serious question

  • Juan José // August 13, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    Hey, chris the pricks,
    look for the freedom and don’t be a freak,

    have your ever been in Spain?
    then you’d never say the same

    have you already asked all the Asians about the picture?
    Oh dear, I think, you really need a teacher.

    Please improve your education,
    then you won’t become victim of manipulation

  • olivia // August 13, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    chris… even I know that’s an ignorant question and I can’t stand Spain..

  • chris // August 13, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    WHAT???? LOL.. nice response…

    close.. japanese/american.

  • chris // August 13, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    i like your speech juan…you should lecture.

  • Juan José // August 13, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    pls do not copy my arguments (lecture) hahaha, anything more creative from your side?

  • Juan José // August 13, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    backwards society? do you know Spain or you also believe the Guardian? hahaha Olivia?

  • chris // August 13, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    I have wasted enough time on something as insignificant as Spain. Best of Luck Juan, keep up the good work.

  • Juan José // August 13, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    it seems that the cowards withdraw, you mediocre losers. Inform yourselves before you talk without knowing what is going all about

  • Ariana // August 13, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    Juan José tienes toda la razón del mundo. Estos son un montón de idiotas que nos están perdiendo el tiempo. Que se vayan todos a la mierda, incluyendo a los chinos… a quien le importa esa raza de mierda. Y peor aún los ingleses, que risa quien so ellos para hablar si son una pérdida de espacio.

  • Juan José // August 13, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    the truth always removes the shit easily to his place, the dark silence hahaha

    VIVA ESPAÑA!!!!

  • Uno // August 13, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    chris, what do you think about japanese-american internment camps in the US, for AMERICAN CITIZENS, during the WWII, then?

    i mean: there are pricks everywhere. but iam not that stupid to blame the whole american society for such atrocities. don’t be that unfair you either with other countries.

    and believe me, i love Japanese culture and i know far beyond average about Japanese History and Culture.

  • chris // August 13, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    Juan, it would be unfair for me to take advantage of someone with such a little grasp of the english language.

    You have emasculated me. I withdraw.

  • Juan José // August 13, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    you may choose Spanish if you want chrisis, I never make advantage from the weakest, or you do not talk any other languages?

  • chris // August 13, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    The internment camps were awful but I wasn’t arguing that there aren’t tons of pricks in the US. There are tons of Spainish people who have immigrated to the US from Spain.

    And I am not lumping all the Spainish, just people specifically from Spain.

    What I was arguing that Spain is a pretty backwards society. If I have offended you its ok cause I have a few spainish friends who would agree with me.

    Come on Everyone… lighten up.

  • julio elstupido // August 13, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    dirty Racist a$$holes

  • Ariana // August 13, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    I doubt you have a few Spanish friends who would agree that spain is a backward society. Then again you did say you are American so that explains.. people in glass houses should not throw stones. It doesn’t get any more backwards than the US.

  • Ariana // August 13, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    julio el estupido.. pero si te estasa llamando estupido a ti mismo como vas a llamar le racista a los otros. Hijo de la gran put@.

  • Lucas // August 13, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    Americans of Japanese descent were taken to camps during WW2? wow, amazing.

    Come on USA, explain the unexplainable.

  • friend of chris // August 13, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    I think all of you are either
    a) unemployed, so who cares what you think
    b) wasting your employers time by posting on this site, so you should be fire
    c) giant pussies

    Wah wah wah, who gives a shit about any of it?

  • Ariana // August 13, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    vai falar a merda que mais cheira..

  • Uno // August 13, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    chris, sry but you’re just mixing terms. “spanish” in the proper sense (people from spain, Europe and descendants) are just 2,5 million in the US. u must be talking bout hispanic. on the other hand, “hispanic” is not a race but an ethnic group. anyway, it isnt that important either at this moment.

    spain is the 8th economy in the world, and the 5th in the EU and we’re 45 million ppl. we have more female ministers than men, and we’ve got gay marriages. silly examples, i do know :), but i think they’re significant enough to show u that we might not be that backward as u believe. i mean, with all due respect, i think you know almost nothing about spain.

    and about the racist issues: we both dislike the same. of course! but i just think you’re being way too unfair judging spain as a whole in terms of racism/not racism, but forgetting that in the very US you’ve got very sad stories of racism (internment camps, Balangiga massacre, and more) toward asian people that you seem to forget.

  • julio elstupido // August 13, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    Ariana,

    I bet you have more hair under your arms than I have on my head. Go take a bath.

    julio

  • USA // August 13, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    WHAT???? I GUARANTEE that I am more educated than you and would be more than happy to verify that any way you’d like. Just say when. But that is neither hear nor there.

    And yes I am from NYC, I highly doubt you are as you imply you are. You re clearly a malcontent internet tough guy (who hates his own country to boot). Now go kick your dog.

    And no I am not a lawyer. You clearly are not, as you arguments are incoherent rants with no logical or meaningful contribution to this board. Pick up your ball and go home to mommy now.

  • chris // August 13, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    You are correct, I know almost nothing about Spain, but your basketball heroes are doing a real good job giving the whole world an idea of some of your countries views.

    as for your last comments.. Are there even any asians in Spain? or were they scared off with pitchforks?

  • USA // August 13, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Come to think of it WHAT????, you are clearly an imposter and you are definitely not American. I noticed how you referred to the US as my country, implying it wasn’t yours. So which one is it, you are an American that hates your own country (you said “screw US”) or you are a lying imposter. I wait with bated breath.

    Your lack of intelligence is evident by your claim that bashing China is a product of your independent thought. What a hoot!! China bashing is all over the media. Please find me a PRO China news article in the Western media. I’m sorry my friend, it is you who are incapable of independent thought. Now go home to mommy

  • KAT // August 13, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Lucas:

    i am not referring to any Spanish word fatty because I wouldn’t know how to translate it. My Spanish teacher just said “fatty.” You know, for a fat person?

    Did I ever say slanted eyes was bad? If you read my comment, you can clearly see that I didn’t say anything like that. I just think it is offensive that the team was stereotyping all Chinese people.

    AND

    you didn’t answer the last part of my comment.

  • Uno // August 13, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    ” You are correct, I know almost nothing about Spain, but your basketball heroes are doing a real good job giving the whole world an idea of some of your countries views. ”

    I TOTALLY agree with you.

    “as for your last comments.. Are there even any asians in Spain? or were they scared off with pitchforks?”

    There’s a significant chinese comunity in spain and they are a very respected foreign community, as their own representatives recently stated one of these past weeks, within all this fuss around the Olympics.

    In that sense we could even give some lessons to, for example, Japan

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4671687.stm

    Im just trying to show u that maybe the world is not EXACTLY as u think.

  • Uno // August 13, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    im off. nice to learn from all of u :)

  • Common Sense!!!! // August 13, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    I´m speechless. I think the ad was very very unfortunate and stupid, but:

    - by no means had any intention to be offensive, some people got offended, we are all sorry to hear that and so, THE SPANISH TEAM SHOULD APOLOGIZE… but then, to many of you, one thing is to give your opinion if the ad its ok/it´s not ok, and another very different thing is TRYING TO OFFEND THE WHOLE SPANISH POPULATION by generalizing and being racist (after all, werent we supposed to write on this post to condemn racism?) The ad had no intention to cause any offence, many of you, do, writing only to slag Spanish people off . Shame on you.

    - The message of the ad was NOT sent to Americans or British, maybe in those countries there are negative connotations to oriental features (which is of course considered as racism and shouldnt be tolerated), that´s why many Chinese Americans are obviously offended if they often suffer from this (and so the Spanish team should say sorry) but did you think that they might not have such connotations in Spain or China? I know of many Chinese from China not being upset about it as they are proud of their features and heritage and they wouldnt see the reason for being offended because someone is telling them they have oriental looking eyes, they simply saw it as something funny. Of course we should have the opinion of the general population from China, but so far… no one complained.

    - So the ad was targeted to Spanish / Chinese population FROM CHINA, where they dont have negative feelings about the Chinese lookings and they have a different cultural perception of the ad. Why are Americans (including Chinese Americans)/Britons getting offended if it wasnt a message for you? Did you ever think that many of the things you commonly do would be rude or offensive in a different culture? Would you stop doing it in your own country when communicating to your fellow countrymen if you dont even know someone would ever be offended about it? The ad wasnt intented to be posted to a different public than that one from Spain/China.

    Asian Americans, British Americans… would anyone in your country get offended if you die your hair blonde and use blue contact lenses? No… because there are no negative feelings about being white… I think the problem is not in the ad or the Spanish National team, maybe the problem is in your own society….

    Again, Pau Gasol and company…. saying sorry, you didnt mean it wont hurt!

  • salmantino // August 13, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    miguelito you are a total idiot. I would like to see the Spanish economy without all those horrible drunk English…….you Spanish are quite happy to take the money they bring , year after year , and happy to offer silly cheap alcohol in disgusting dirty bars with no standards at all ( like the whole country ) but the cry when they get out of hand…
    You fucking hypocrites.

  • Lucas // August 13, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    USA: Which ethnic minority are you?

  • BS! // August 13, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    In what way is this SUBTLE?

  • Royston // August 13, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    okay this country is really ignorant and they are living in their own world of stupidness. i cant believe that those NBA players didn’t know any better.

  • Ariana // August 13, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    julio elestupido.. hair under my arms.. really now??? wow, is that the best you can do to someone that calls you un hijo de la gran put@. you clearly aren’t Spanish.. if you were you’d know much better!

  • miguelito // August 13, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    To Chris.
    why don’t you look for a teacher and after some lessons of history, culture and so on, maybe (JUST MAYBE) we can have a chat about general issues…
    According to your questions you may think that Africans are like stunts in Tarzan movies and pinguins go around Moscow….!!!
    And you can vote….my God!!

  • Ariana // August 13, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    And Julio comemierda.. it was the English that were accused of not bathing by the australians.. so why you would tell me to take a bath.. is completely beyond me!

  • Ariana // August 13, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Salmantino.. I do hope you are in no way implying that the reason why the spain economy survives is because of england.. Please!
    Go brush your teeth.. you dirty Brit! You people are gross! Spain doens’t need your money.. and we can sure do without your rotten teeth all over our country.

  • salmantino // August 13, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    i am implying that spain makes a hell of a lot of money from England ( who gave most when spain scrounged from the E.U ? to help their pathetic 3rd world country ? hmm )
    it is ignorant to put very cheap alcohol and reap the profits , and very high profits they are , and then complain about the behaviour after….
    PLUS there is PLENTY of fighting , sex on the beach , drugs etc etc , by the spanish , it just doesnt make it to the news…couldn’t have that now could we ?
    my teeth are perfect , lovely and white….thanks :-)

  • salmantino // August 13, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    what is the biggest ( read: only ) economy of spain ? tourism…..biggest percentage of tourist ? oh yes English…….

  • Ariana // August 13, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Salmantino.. Yeah I’m sure they are..

    fighting, sex on the beach, drugs.. OK??? which is different from any other country…how? England has no drugs??? no sex?? clearly, which is why you are all a bunch of faggets!

    And Spain is by no means a 3rd world country.. clearly you know that first hand, since I can tell you vacation there.. What’s the matter, your own country is too much of a piece of shit? I’ve never vacationed there.. I have plenty of places within my own country! you sure are a sad human being.

  • Ariana // August 13, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Is it Spain’s fault that you guys don’t have nice places for tourism.. I think not. if that bothers you then take it up with your own people.

  • salmantino // August 13, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    i merely said the spanish do it too……but nobody hears of it . Then they all cry about the Brits doing it ….?? I’m sick of hearing the only argument time and time again ” drunken English boo hoo ” look on you tube for racist / drunk incidents in spain by spaniards PLEASE .
    I dont vacation in spain , i did live there for a few years . It is dirty , run by greed and ignorance , and in general it is a slave society . It is complete and utter chaos. Backward and 3rd world mentality.
    All in all i prefer to live in England ( although i am not British ) .

  • Vic // August 13, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    As a Japanese American with both parents placed in concentration camps in outside of Independence, California and Poston, Arizona during World War II because of folks who thought making slanty eyes was funny, I can tell you I find the photo distasteful, degrading and beneath what I thought Spain was about.

    Of course, this photo is only a mirror on what I now see as the Spanish heart, the same heart that had the Jews moved out of the country years ago.

    I could not understand why the U.S. Embassy has posted that attacks do occur to tourists, especially Asian Americans, until now.

    I had planned on spending my vacation dollars in Spain next year, but not now, and will make every effort to dissuade others from visiting Spain as well.

    The Facists still thrive in Espana………

  • Common Sense!!!! // August 13, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    Salmantino, Ariana… both of you are pathetic. Ariana, you should travel to the UK and meet some British people and you will change your narrow mind, you are a bit of an ignorant. Salmantino, dont be a smart ass, you are not superior than any other country included Spain. The UK gave money to Spain, and what? So you are saying the British didnt get anything good from Spain? Should we talk about the many British sucking up from the Spanish health and social system once they move into Spain? Not that Im saying they do bad!!!!!

  • Uno // August 13, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    Vic, i respect your feelings. Period. There’s nothing I can do but being sorry if you were offended,

    but,

    please, forget clichés, and half truths.

    You said: “The same heart that had the Jews moved out of the country years ago.”

    When? I mean: which expulsion of Jews? which one?

    1290? (English one)
    1394? (French one)
    1492? (Spanish one)
    1496? (Portuguese one)

    (There’s also this kind of bad news for the whole Spanish Inquisition cliche. But i guess you just believe me.)

  • Lucas // August 13, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    KAT: Ok I’ll dedicate a post to you, but please don’t masterbate while you read this.

    “I have a Spanish teacher, who once complained about how Americans took things too seriously. In Spain, they can call a fat person “fatty” and it is not offensive, it is affectionate, while in the U.S. it would be mean. I understand that.”

    If you call someone “fatty” in Spain it is offensive. So either your teacher is stupid or you misunderstood him.

    “This appears to be the same argument that the Spanish make – their photo is not racist because Chinese people DO have slanted eyes.”

    If you think the photo is racist you’ll have to explain why. The playes re not mocking at anything, it’s a silly funny gesture, that’s all. You think slanty eyes is something you can mock at? Then you are a racist.

    “But that’s WRONG. If it were true, then it would not be a problem. Believe it or not, there are lots of Asian people who do NOT have slanted eyes, but for some reason, everyone in the world likes to focus on the ones that do. IF you have traveled to various parts of Asia, you would agree with me. This stereotype seems offensive to me.”

    Whether or not all Chinese people have slanty eyes is irrelevant., and again you are implying that slanty eyes are a defect, therefore, you are a racist.

    “FURTHERMORE, calling black football/soccer players “black” is ok because it’s true, but “black shit?” Is that not racist? Or acting like a monkey when black players come out on the field? Are you telling me that calling black people monkeys is not offensive because it’s true? Somebody from Spain enlighten me. I’m not angry, I would just sincerely like to know your opinion.”

    You have changed the subject here. All that monkey thing was racist, yes. And?

  • Common Sense!!!! // August 13, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Vic, are you saying that the people on that picture or the people from Spain would agree with the whole idea of the concentration camps simply because one basketball team did a sign that is not regarded as offensive in their own culture? Did you wonder how many countries you will be missing, because the same gesture is not considered disrespectful either? Of course there are racist people in Spain… or any where else, and it´s not accepted. Are you saying that we should hate your country and think that you are all evil because we all know there are racist incidents in the USA? Are you an evil person? For sure there are a lot murderers and racists in your country… so, should I say that you and all your people are despicable just because some of them are bad people, rapists, murderers and you bomb other countries? (keep in mind that the basketball team didnt mean to offend you… no matter how hurt you feel you cant still compare that to what the US is doing in many countries to millions of people.

    I am sorry about the hard life your parents had, but, does it give you the moral right to make such a hard statement on a population of 45 million people? Are you going to be angry with the WHOLE world, because Chinese hate Japanese (I was living in China for quite a while and is a very widespread feeling), some people were nasty to you, and all what the Japanese did to Asia?? Dont generalize or make a judgement of who you dont know if you dont want the same done on you.

    Luckily nowadays you have the freedom of deciding where you will spend your dollars on your next holiday…. but remember wherever it is you will always find something you will find ruden and racist… its everywhere. Even in yourself without you probably noticing…. Sorry to disappoint you.

  • yomama // August 13, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    “A sentence has to quantity, ”

    olivia, maybe you should take your own advice and learn how to put a sentence together.

  • Common Sense!!!! // August 13, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    Please Vic check out. Notice what the Japanese girl is wearing on her lips. By the way, none of them was offended. But this is he welcome they gave him in Japan. And I still think its a great country.

    http://imfinethankyouandyou.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/ronaldo-to-japan-another-diplomatic-gaff/

  • newton // August 13, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    For the record, I am Chinese and was born and raised in the United States, and I do not find this picture offensive.

    Growing up in American society teaches you to be racist, that having blond hair and round eyes is good, while having dark hair and/or slanted eyes is bad. While this is not explicitly taught as such, we as Americans are constantly bombarded with the notion that we must be politically correct and not point out someone’s physical differences from a typical caucasian (i.e. it is more PC to call someone African American than black, even though they may not be of African descent). The desired result is that Americans will not be racist, when in fact we are being subconsciously taught that having non-caucasian features is inferior.

    Because of this, Americans project their own beliefs on the Spaniards, and mistakenly believe that Spaniards must obviously think that having dark hair and/or slanted eyes is bad too. I don’t believe this to be true; in fact, I think it is pretty apparent that Spaniards just recognize that having slanted eyes is neither good or bad, just different. Most Americans in this discussion page disappointingly fail to recognize this.

    In fact, I think the people who think this ad is racist are the real racists. They are pretty much telling me that I should be ashamed of my slanted eyes, and that anyone who “mocks” it is offending me, like they feel sorry for me for having non-rounded eyes. Having slanted eyes is a physical feature that is genetic and cannot be changed, so I think it is foolish to think of it as a source of racial insecurity.

  • USA // August 13, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    This comment section at one point carried a debate in a mature and constructive manner. It has unfortunately devolved into a childish exchange of name calling and gross generalizations.

    The simple point of all this is that whether there was malicious intent or not, the eye gesture is offensive to many Asians for reasons that are well documented in history. That some of you refuse to even acknowledge that this is actually offensive to many people for good reason truly escapes me. Go on continuing to use that gesture because you feel it’s not offensive (although you really are not the ones affected by it) and reminisce about your “fun and silly” childhood antics with fondness. You are the ones worse for where.

    Alternatively, simply accept that that gesture is not well received by Asians and learn something from it and move on.

  • newton // August 13, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    USA, while I understand why people will perceive the gesture as racist because of its history, I think that constantly teaching people that it is racist only perpetuates racism. It is basically the same as saying, slanted eyes are inherently bad so let’s stop making any references or gestures about it.

    I think it is quite possible that beliefs can change over time, that maybe there are people, such as the Spanish basketball team, who just appreciate/recognize a feature unique to Asian people. Reminding people time and time again of how the gesture was once considered racist just keeps us stuck in a rut and hinders progress. Purely my own opinion as a Chinese person of course. I am tired of people telling me I should be offended because someone somewhere once thought slanted eyes was bad.

  • USA // August 13, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    Newton, I certainly respect your point of view and understand the basic argument you are making. The problem is that you assume the average person takes the time or has the breadth and depth of experience to make that distinction. You also simplify a very complicated issue in reducung the gesture as a mere physical act. Like it or not (and as a Chinese American I assume you’ve probably experienced this), that gesture has a history of mockery and has a symbolism beyond the mere physical act of pulling back ones eyes.
    Where I agree with you is in your assertion that many Spaniards and other citizens of mostly homogeneous societies don’t have the same history of racism that we have here and would therefore be less aware of the negative connotations associated with gestures like this.
    I don’t fault people for not understanding that it is offensive but I do fault people who refuse to acknowledge that in fact this gesture has a more deep-seeded and complicated history, and do so under the veil of nationalism and/or other irrelevant tenets.

  • nbassia // August 13, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Bruce lee had to move from USA to became a famous actor because he was Chinese…do you remember David Carradine on Kungfu??? what about guantanamo?? and their tortures??? what about the ilegal chinese drowned in UK shores??
    Am i missing the point? yes. Sorry if you were offended but look at your own house before putting order in others.. free tibet and good luck Spain on winning the gold.

  • outrageousfun // August 13, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Fuck the political bull shit. Anyone can do anything in this world people and WILL misconceive on even the smallest detail depending on the environment in which they grew up in. I’ll admit my initial reaction was WHAT THE FUCK? And that’s coming from my 19 years of living in a pretty fucking racist Oakland, California where it has just began to calm down in the past few years. But of course instead of arguing about some pointless shit that won’t even affect you or me this time tomorrow I would like to put one question out there. If a person walks down a path(racist) and someone else walks the other(non-racist) is it up to he or she in which road is represented?

    Choose what you wish to represent, thank you good-bye you aren’t part of my life anymore.

    I’m Chinese/Vietnamese American and fuck you if you want to make fun of my eyes. If y

  • Common Sense!!!! // August 13, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    Newton, I think yours is the best comment of all.

    To USA:

    “the eye gesture is offensive to many Asians for reasons that are well documented in history”

    “That some of you refuse to even acknowledge that this is actually offensive to many people for good reason truly escapes me”

    It is well documented in American History. Spanish people don´t have an American background for understanding this, as they live in Spain and you should know that they have a different culture, different history.

    Chinese people, or Asians, were never persecuted in Spain, they were never in concentration camps in Spain and they never were or are not a target of racism in Spain were they started growing as a well respected community for the past few years (nobody thinks of them as bad people, stupid people or anything inferior, but as well respected hard working people).

    Thats why they wouldnt see it could be offensive for a Chinese when there is nothing bad about looking Chinese. Obviously many people in the USA think there´s a problem about looking Chinese, as Newton said….and as “is documented in history”.

    And I can understand why Chinese Americans feel offended then, and Im sure if the Spanish team knew about this they wouldnt have done it. Besides, one of the players asked for apologies if anyone got offended by this.

    “Alternatively, simply accept that that gesture is not well received by Asians and learn something from it and move on.” Please, again, Asian Americans you mean. Which is fare enough, they have been treated despectively in their home country and they dont want to take crap… sorry about the word.

    As I said before, the ad wasnt targeted to Americans.

    Its understandable to say that you are offended and to explain why, but also try to open your minds and try to understand why and in what context and under what background they did it… remember the world is bigger than just America.

  • newton // August 13, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    USA, just to make myself clear, I do agree with you. I completely understand and trust people from Spain when they say there is no racist connotation attached to the gesture they made. I also completely understand why any Asian person would take offense to it.

    I think the core issue here is that people on both sides do not understand how this image is perceived in the other’s country. And I think the basic reason for this is that they each have their own idea of why someone would make the gesture. The next step people usually take is to assume this is the case, and project their own beliefs on someone else. I think if people on either side just took some time to think things through and discuss it non-combatively, with all situations and not just this one, the world would be a better place.

  • captain america // August 13, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    we respect different races but we will destroy those comunist pigs (subconscious thinking??).
    We dont condone racism but are no better than the russians…imperialist and with hidden agenda… We did not sign the Kyoto treaty like China… at the end we will be responsible for the anihilation of the human race (regardless of the colour). Grennpace to rule the world.

  • stfu // August 13, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    As an Asian-American, I am deeply offended by this photo! I don’t care what other people say because they probably never experienced some form of racist gestures before, so they should just stfu! What’s even more offensive and disturbing is the fact that these Spanish players don’t see how this is in any way or form offensive! Their actions speaks volumes and it shows show ignorant they are! Gasol will have hell to pay when he gets back to LA. Doesn’t that idiot know that LA has a massive Asian population. He’ll get his share back in LA!! This just shows both the Spanish men’s and women’s basketball teams are ignorant and low class!

  • rozz // August 13, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    stfu stfu2

  • rozz // August 13, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    asian american, afro american, etc…. should you all just be americans and forget the racial distinctions??

  • outrageousfun // August 13, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    Fuck the political bull shit. Anyone can do anything in this world people and WILL misconceive on even the smallest detail depending on the environment in which they grew up in. I’ll admit my initial reaction was WHAT THE FUCK? And that’s coming from my 19 years of living in a pretty fucking racist Oakland, California where it has just began to calm down in the past few years. But instead of arguing about some pointless shit that won’t even affect you or me this time tomorrow, everyone should just not give a fuck, because I really don’t. If a person walks down a path(racist) and someone else walks the other(non-racist) is it up to he/she which road he/she represents?

    Choose what you wish to represent, and believe me people remember.

    I’m Chinese/Vietnamese American and FUCK YOU if you want to INTENTIONALLY make fun of my eyes.

    If you truly believe that making your eyes slanty with your fingers is a true JOKE(ANYTHING that provokes laughter) and not a RACIST joke then I respect it.

    But…If someone could please tell me if whether or not, at ONE point in this world every country made fun of chinese people about their eyes at least once that’d be great.

    I don’t know if it’s because i’m brain washed to believe that there isn’t anything outside of my environment that doesn’t consist of racism, but through MY logical thinking we’ve all been made fun of about our eyes. If it has happened in the past then I highly doubt this two finger eye disappearing trick rooted from a just a joke, more like a real racist joke.

    If you are offended you shouldn’t be, I’m just asking for information.

    Oh and my eyes make me aim well.
    My focus is top notch because of my eyes.

  • rozz // August 13, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    Pink panther Peter Sellers disguised as chinese. Just a comedy film.
    black comedian in USA talking about niggers and white trash…just comedy.
    belgiums cartoons on Mohammed…sacrilage!!!
    Salman Rusdey still under death treat.
    Jokes about black people cocks…not racist??!!
    what is racist now a days…please explain who is allowed and who is not to make or say what king of things…I am confussed.

  • Francisco // August 13, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    Newton, you really summed up the whole issue in a clear, sensible way.

    Newton’s remarks, compounded with the position of the Chinese Embassy in Spain and the fact that (as much as I could tell) there was no negative reaction from the audience in today’s match between the Spanish women’s BB team and that of Czech republic, seem to support my suggestion that this issue is much more sensitive for Asian communities in Western countries than it is in China proper. In the latter case, it seems Spain’s (admittedly naive and ignorant) view of the gesture as an indication of diversity is, at the very least, understandable.

    Don’t get me wrong. I still think our BB team should apologize. Vic, stfu, I’m very sad our team offended you. I’ll repeat myself: offending a single person is just not acceptable, period.

    But, as Newton pointed out, discussing things peacefully, with no excessive rationalization of an awkward action (as some of compatriots have done) and no over-the-top condemnation of a whole country because of a single picture is THE way to go.

  • USA // August 13, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    Common Sense, I believe we are saying the same thing. If you re-read my post you’ll see that I acknowledge the fact that Spaniards don’t share the same history as we do here in the US. That’s why I made it a point to say that I understand why some Spaniards don’t understand why this could be offensive. What I do not understand however is the defiance by some to acknowledge that this could be deemed offensive by others. It is they, not I who are being (insert home country)-centric.

  • Kuang Yu Chen // August 14, 2008 at 1:09 am

    Racism shows up when two cultures encounter. The fact that there is no negative reaction from China proper does not condone the pure banality or ignorance of that ad. As an oversea Chinese living in USA, I could not believe my eye when I saw that picture, which is disgusting and revulsive. The atheletes even smiled. Are they ignorant or vicious?

  • Pizarro // August 14, 2008 at 1:27 am

    Spain is the best country in the world and all this comments about racism is just jelous of all countries that would like to become like Spain…That you God for making me spanish. So, shut up, dirty people

  • Francisco // August 14, 2008 at 1:35 am

    Hey Pizarro. I’m Spaniard too and, as I wrote earlier, usually proud. But this is not Spain’s finest hour by any reach of imagination.

    And blunt, rude, offensive remarks such as yours aren’t going to make me enjoy being your compatriot.

    Respeto, muchacho

  • friend of chris // August 14, 2008 at 1:43 am

    As a african american male, i certainly empathize with anyone who finds the picture offensive, but as a person with a somewhat cynical sense of humor it is obvious that there was no malice intended, it was just a really bad joke, get over it!

  • Tammi // August 14, 2008 at 1:59 am

    Why can’t we just take someone’s word that they did not intend to offend? Accept that cultures are different and accept that while some will be offended by things and others won’t that the whole point of the games is the merging and understanding of cultures other than our own. Use this as an opportunity to teach each other and accept each other. By this day and age one would think that we could embrace the beauty of the world around us. To quote the “Youngbloods” of a couple generations ago…. “C’mon people now, Smile on your brother Everybody get together Try and love one another right now” Let’s all enjoy the games and enjoy the fact that we are different, open up and learn from the other guy ok? It hurts a lot less than you think 

  • USA // August 14, 2008 at 2:04 am

    Friend of Chris, in all seriousness, as an African American male, did you find Don Imus calling the Rutgers Women’s basketball team, “nappy headed ho’s”, offensive? It can certainly be argued that Don Imus did not say it with any malice and that it was just a poor joke taken out of context. What’s your view on this? Did you tell your African American friends to “get over it”?

  • thesportsaffiliate // August 14, 2008 at 2:59 am

    It could be worse, they could be doing the ching chong voice in spanish while they take the picture. Yao Ming should dress up in a matador outfit.

  • AsianAmerican // August 14, 2008 at 3:26 am

    Spanish people can kiss my ass. Spain is so insignificant I don’t know why they are so arrogant.

  • AsianAmerican // August 14, 2008 at 3:29 am

    Friend of Chris is saying “get over it” until someone makes a black joke. Then he’ll get all emotional and feel oppressed again.

  • AsianAmerican // August 14, 2008 at 3:36 am

    All black people is on welfare and smoke crack. Just kidding, there was no malice intent. We use to joke around like that when we were kids.

  • Jesus // August 14, 2008 at 3:55 am

    Tammi you’re an idiot. Just because someone didn’t intend to offend doesn’t mean its not offensive. Hey Tammi you’re a whore and your moms a 2 dollar whore. I didn’t mean to offend you can you accept that we’re just different?

  • Antonio // August 14, 2008 at 6:24 am

    For those that can read spanish:

    http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/anuncio/seleccion/baloncesto/racista/ofensivo/elpepudep/20080813elpepudep_1/Tes

    This is not a racism issue, at least between spanish culture and eastern culture, it may be a misunderstanding issue, so once the lesson is learned we the easter people and the spanish will be closer.

    If the gesture is offensive is because the anglosaxons used it to offense the eastern people in the past. In Spain it has never been used to offend anybody. We are not so racist.

    If there is a true racism or xenophobia issue is between the spaniards and the english, and it is a secular one.

  • Matt // August 14, 2008 at 6:47 am

    Antonio,
    I’ve read the equivalent form on El Mundo’s website, and having lived in Spain myself I know and agree with you that (in this case) it wasn’t racism, rather ignorance.

    It’s very easy for us non-Spanisards to view the Spanish as racists. However, after living there for a while you realise that they intend no more harm in what they say to or about people of other races than any other country does. That’s what makes the difference between racism and mere ignorance, the intention.

    The Spanish team need to realise, however, that this gesture DID offend a very large amount of people and need to apologise publicly for it and explain that they meant no offence to anyone and simply didn’t realise that it was classed as racism in different societies of the world.

  • salmantino // August 14, 2008 at 7:21 am

    The reason i left spain was racism pure and simple. You spanish are shit pure and simple , you are arrogant , yet live in a 3rd world country . I lived in many places in sapin , and you know how many times while standing in a queue in a bank , i was told to go to the ” extranjeros ” desk ? racist ignorant fucks , me cago en tu puto pais !!

  • mmmmmmmmmmm // August 14, 2008 at 7:31 am

    salmantino, u’re the perfect example that there are nasty ppl everywhere.

    y esa tontería de 3rd world country que tanto te afanas en repetir es la coletilla típica cargada de resentimiento y complejo de inferioridad de ciertos países que no son precisamente europeos. a que nos vamos entendiendo?

  • salmantino // August 14, 2008 at 7:38 am

    hahaha tu eres tercera munsista y ya esta ! come he dicho antes , me cago en españa !!
    era lo peor lugar en que he vivido en todo mi vida. Y si , ya lo sé que mi español es batsante mal , pero nadie me ayuda , solo toma el pelo de mi pronunciacion y todo. Pendejos todos !! ignorant , arrogant , 3rd world rubbish .

  • Santiago Lopez // August 14, 2008 at 7:40 am

    The Chinese embassy in Spain has said this ad is not racist. Sorry, anglo-saxons, with all your feelings of guiltyness that you try to project on others. We do not have (and never did) separate bathrooms for blacks; or separate buses; or separate schools, or separate … Look at South America and look at the US: where do you find more mixture? where were natives TRULY exterminated and by whom? how many natives there are in the US compared with the rest of Spanish-speaking America? Do not try to fool us with your sinful minds: FACTS SPEAK LOUDER.
    Race comes more naturally to mediterranean people. Just the fact that you see a racist element in all this is very telling: for you race is an ugly issue you have to live with. Do not take us to your muddy pound.

  • salmantino // August 14, 2008 at 7:43 am

    YOU HAVE SEPERATE DESKS IN THE FUCKING BANK !!!! YOU BASTARDS !!!
    ” EXTRANJEROS ”
    yes , i know this is supposed to mean ” international affairs such as transfers etc ” but it fucking doesnt !! foreign people are told to go to it , time and time again , by people working in the bank !!!! YOU RACIST SHIT COUNTRY !!!

  • Santiago Lopez // August 14, 2008 at 7:56 am

    By the way, how many TV channels in the US are showing today one of the thousands of cowboys and indians movies? Still proud of how you exterminated native indians? Tell me just one Spanish movie taking pride of killing native indians in South America. For that we feel really sorry.
    So you take aim at a childish gesture but live comfortably with colourful depictions of extermination. Cheers!

  • mmmmmmmmmmm // August 14, 2008 at 7:58 am

    salmantino, u’re plain insane.

  • salmantino // August 14, 2008 at 8:01 am

    yes , while you in spain have programmes with such non-offensive titles as ” humor amarillo ”
    disgusting. you do not belong in a modern world. take your ridiculous paella and tasteless nonsensical pinchos and get the hell out of europe ! go and throw tomatoes at each other soemwhere , or better still , throw goats out of churches….

  • salmantino // August 14, 2008 at 8:02 am

    thats right mmmmmmm , you read something about the bank that you know is true , and ignore it so it doesnt exist…and im insane ?

  • Santiago Lopez // August 14, 2008 at 8:03 am

    Salmantino, you are full of hatred.
    In most countries, banks have separate desks for foreigners. That is not racism, it is called job specialization. If somebody mistreated you, tell us your experience, but do not try to make a generalization out of a single case.

  • salmantino // August 14, 2008 at 8:05 am

    sorry man i have way too many bad experiences to tell you about…..and in many areas , i think the worst place was castilla y leon , wow awful mentality there…
    you are right , i am full of hatred , for spain , it is bad to generalise i know , but hey , when i had the same bad experiences in EVERY part…what can i do ?

  • Common Sense!!!! // August 14, 2008 at 8:09 am

    To Salmantino:

    I dont think you have ever been in a bank in Spain. I have and I have never seen that happenning. Maybe they have a special desk for foreign bank accounts or non-resident accounts, as it would be my case… if you are a foreigner with a domestic bank account you use the normal desk. Go to any branch whenever you want, and look at the numerous foreign residents who are queuing together with Spanish. And that was 2 weeks ago last time I was there.

    You are losing your case, you started writing posts with “some” sense but now we can see where you are coming from…. as they say in Spain, “se cree el ladrón que todos son de su condición”. You are the most intolerant and racist, and I agree with MMMMMMM, you have a big inferiority complex.

    You know, ” a palabras necias, oidos sordos”. And this is the last reply Im going to give you because you are not worth any other single second of my time. Go and fix your hatred to Spain with a psychiatric doctor because you need it.

  • salmantino // August 14, 2008 at 8:11 am

    typical spanish answer ” i never saw it ” ” thats ridiculous ”
    you people are incredible.

  • botella // August 14, 2008 at 9:58 am

    only a comment…..

  • Santiago Lopez // August 14, 2008 at 10:18 am

    A collateral issue that has a point: “Fatty” (gordito) if said by a Spaniard most probably implies a negative connotation. But “mi gordo”, “mi gorda” in some Spanish-speaking countries (for example, in Mexico) is an equivalent of “honey” (it would be used in similar contexts; lovers will use the word to refer to the loved one).
    Again, do not try to impose a standard to the world! (THAT is racist). Even among Spanish-speaking countries the same expression can have different meanings.

  • helge // August 14, 2008 at 10:27 am

    while the blunt generalisations of Spain and Spanish by salmantino and others are simply disgusting, and the country is generally pleasant with great people there is a somewhat lack of self-criticism that is obvious in this blog. Quite outrageous things are happening more often that many seem to admit. I have had the only experience of fashism proper in my life in Barajas coming with my latin american wife from Mexico and being treated like cattle. There was a clear contempt displayed by the security staff. We complained and one guy turned nasty, threatened that we would now be stuck and everyone turned over their identity cards so there was no way to report anything. This does not represent Spain at all but it is a reality that many seem not aware of. it is simply not true that there is less racism in Spain and therefore people are more innocent.

  • Francisco // August 14, 2008 at 11:06 am

    Yes, Helge. You really nailed it down. Racism IS an issue here in Spain. A Brasilian person who intended to attend to an event I was organising was genuinely concerned about customs mistreatment. Nothing really happened in the end but things like that might happen.
    I agree with you too that racism is also not especially bad in Spain. We’ve just reached European average (absolutely nothing to be proud of, for sure) and we have to start acting on it ASAP.

    Presenting the problem in its right terms, as you did, is the first step to a solution. So thank you from a Spaniard for your balanced diagnosis.

  • William // August 14, 2008 at 11:49 am

    I’m a black New Yorker living in Barcelona, hardly an immigrant (in fact we’re launching a business that we hope will eventually create hundreds of jobs) and in my relatively short time here (3 yrs) I’ve endured exponentially more racist incidents than in a lifetime in NYC. Ironically only the white Spaniards deny racism is a problem (though some of them certainly have admitted the problem to me). But ask any black, Moroccan or latino whether it’s a problem and you invariably hear a list of complaints. I’ve had people scream insults from passing cars, insensitive jokes (not meant to be hostile) that at home would make most of us flinch. Been stopped and frisked by police for absolutely no reason (twice I believe my US passport spared me some real grief). Have to endure constant stares whenever I venture outside the touristy center near Ramblas. Seen people dressed in clownish parody of the black race. Been denied admission to a club when the group of British friends I was with were admitted (thankfully they stood by me, gave the bouncers an earful and left) The list goes on.

    Now I’m by no means saying Spaniards are any more racist than anyone else, but I have to say that because the society refuses to acknowledge the problem exists an environment is created that let’s the genuine racists feel they can act out with impunity. And because there is little public discourse on the subject many Spaniards do offensive things unaware that they are hurtful to others and therefore wrong (Lewis Hamilton’s black-face episode and now these ads).

  • William // August 14, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    Actually I was in Lleida not so long ago and passed walls festooned with wonderful little slogans like ‘negros fuera Espana’ and facist symbols. I also endured constant stares while there, though by now I’m rather immune. My girlfriend however is not (she’s Czech) and was quite unnerved by the experience. I do want to say, that trip was not really typical of my experiences in Spain. But there seems to be an insensitivity on the part of some towards the feelings of people who are different, perhaps it’s just curiosity, I don’t know. But with the number of foreign born residents I would have thought most people would be accustomed to them by now.

    I do love Spain, after all I’m still here, and my encounters with Spaniards have been overwhelmingly positive :)

  • chris // August 14, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    Again, for all those people justifing the harmlessness of the picture from Spain really need to wake up. Your backwards society (Spain) is wrong and hopefully the majority of Spainards are not stupid enough to understand why this is a problem. Unfortunately, from these strings those who are defending the pictures and justifying them and then useing the argument that other countries also have problems are juvenile. Who cares if others have problems. You guys are in the lymelight and this reminds me of some softcore form of nazism. Stop pointing fingers and realize that the ideology in spain is predominately racist. Its ingrained in the society and will always be there. and from the looks of it its ingrained in school kids who are taught that its ok that make of their “slant eyes.” Antinio Bandaras.. would be ashamed of you guys.

  • chris // August 14, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    or is he mexican..

  • Juan José // August 14, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Hi William and welcome to Cataluña!

    I come from Madrid and live in The Netherlands for 11 eleven years. I also experience almost daily the disadvantages of being a foreigner in another country. For your comfort, I also experience similar impressions in a country as The Netherlands, where foreigners are not properly treated as family members.

    But let me tell you something about the Spanish multicultural map. The issue is that even people from Madrid may feel discriminated o treated unfriendly, in what supposes to be your own country, when visiting Cataluña for example. I also can tell a few experiences when I went to Barcelona and Gerona for holidays. They were not pleasant at all. What in Anglo-Saxon cultures may be understood as racism, this is defined by Spanish ones as “mala leche”. (Brainless attitude). It is also possible that Catalans may feel the same visiting Madrid. Shit happens everywhere.

    It may be right to say that the seeds of racism or intolerance were originally grown by Franco to be applied among other Spanish people some years ago. My grandpa was shot down by nationalist Franco supporters during the Spanish Republic, only because he was a republican member in the local city house defending different political ideas. Those seeds have grown to the actual days and manifest themselves in the way you may experience, as well as other Spanish people in their own country do. This has not been corrected properly yet.
    Therefore all of you, foreigners in Spain, do not take it too personally and enjoy the good things, my country can offer.

    Unfortunately this world is not perfect, neither Spain.

    Remember that there is always something between hospitality and hostility; just find the right balance at your convenience.

    Some of you may find Nelson Mandela a model or example to follow, most of his life hold in jail by the racist intolerance of the apartheid (Dutch word) in South Africa, showing no trace of hate at all.
    Thanks Nelson, I love you!

    Cheers and friendly regards

  • Francisco // August 14, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    Juan José
    I come from Andalusia (southern Spain) and I just went to Barcelona (north eastern Spain) for holidays. Every day was incredibly nice and helpful to me. Some even stopped to talk and tell me about this or that part of the city where they lived.

    Absolutely nothing to complain about. At any rate the kind of racist attittudes William describes are not the same as the occasional “mala leche” you refer to.

    Just another view.

  • Juan José // August 14, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Thanks Francisco for the geography lesson about Spain, but I know very well where to find Barcelona and Andalucia (with C) in the Spanish map. Let say, you were just lucky. Even when I consider Catalans very valid people, it is not occasional that they do not consider themselves Spanish. Therefore they are not always friendly to other Spanish people properly when we are coming from Madrid areas. Anyway I tried to explain somethingelse.

  • William // August 14, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Thanks Juan José and Francisco. Perhaps understandably most of the staring I encounter (and it is intense, unflinching even when I make direct eye contact) is done by elderly people. With younger Spaniards it is relatively rare. I suspect that part of it may be a relic from growing up during the Franco years when distrust of strangers may have been a survival tactic. Some may be simply that it is more difficult for some of the older people to come to terms with the very rapidly changing demographics in the country. I am now on friendly terms with some in my barrio who were once the biggest starers of all :)

    Also I think some are simply trying to figure out who/what I am, clearly not African (I am a mix of races and besides a brown skin have few African features ), my dress (East Village?), my heavily English-accented Spanish… Everyone on my street is now familiar with me but in the beginning I was questioned mercilessly about my origins Lol. Now I’m friends with the shopkeepers and neighbors, can’t walk a meter without an Hola, ¿Que tal?

    Some of the comments I’ve heard from strangers though left very little doubt what they thought.

  • Niko // August 14, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    The problem is everywhere. Racism exists on many different levels in most countries. In North America and UK, they like to think that they are more politically correct, but behind closed doors when nobody’s around, it’s another story. In Europe EVERY country is racist. Attitudes towards blacks, asians, jews, etc. are rediculous. But it’s way more in the open. That doesn’t make it any less racist. It’s just not hidden. That also doesn’t make it any better. I don’t believe in degrees of racism. That something is a little bit racist, or very racist. Either it is, or it isn’t. The fact that it’s defended and treated as not that big a deal is stupid. You have to always put yourself in the other pserson’t shoes and think “How would I feel?” At a huge international tournament like the olympics, the Spanish team should have known better. The problem is, they don’t really think there’s anything wrong with that. What’s next? They make themselves up in black face and start singing ‘Mammy’? Your not black, if you paint your face black. That’s racist. You’re not Italian if you grab your balls all the time and say ‘ay, oh’. Your not Greek if you have anal sex. You’re not French if you down’t shower and are rude to everybody. Your not Mexican if you park your car on your lawn. Not all Germans are Nazis. And your not Chinese if you pull your eyes sideways with your fingers. That’s racist. It’s all racist. We all share this earth together. We need to pay better attention to other people’s feelings.

  • Freda // August 14, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    Niko.. your post just made me crack up, you’re not mexican if you park your car on the lawn.. priceless. But you’re right.
    I am not Spanish, British or American.. I’m actually Swedish and I have got to tell all of you that are surprised by what the basketball team did that this is normal behavior for any European country. I’m not going to lie to you (and no, I’m not proud) but most of Europe (as a whole) hates outside races. It’s just that we are extreme nationalists. As far as Americans go.. they are the worst treated in all of Europe. Most countries can’t stand them.. it’s just a fact. Asians, Jews, Arabs.. you name it, we hate them. (and by we I do not mean I – so please no attacks).
    It’s sad but it’s true.. and the only thing that I have to say is that the team should apologize as a way to “keep the peace”.
    However, I do think that you people bashing Spain (as a whole) need to stop and realize that thanks to them the Americans have a country to call home. If it wasn’t for them, you’d still be running around with feathers on your head!

  • Freda // August 14, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    That last comment was supposed to be an example of European thinking, not of mine in particular.

  • Gabe // August 14, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    WHAT? This picture shows sympathy towards Chinese?
    You can take that sympathy and shove it up your ass.
    I can’t believe people are actually saying this picture is not only harmless, but a good thing? As a Chinese I am offended by this picture. And when I was a kid and other children were doing this to me, I was offended then too. It isn’t light hearted. It isn’t in good fun. It’s mocking, and it’s mean spirited.
    Maybe that is how Spanish culture is, but that’s not cool, and I hope the whole team gets booed out of the Olympics.

  • Mayte from Spain // August 14, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Well, I only want to point this:

    For the one asking if Spaniards will be offended if they were portrayed wearing sombreros and holding tequila bottles in one hand and burritos in the other… the only problem is that those thing are Mexicans, I think. In fact I discovered “burritos” watching an episode of 90210 Beverly Hills. I haven’t heard of them before. And I have only eaten them once or two times in my life in a Mexican restaurant. But I invited you to make fun of us dressing like bullfighters if you want… in fact I think others in the past have done it and well… I don’t feel offended although I’n against bullfighting. It should be banned.

  • Miliu // August 14, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    So…

    Asian people think european people have big noses. What would you think if cambodian waterpolo team (just an example) make an ad laughing about our noses? Would you be offended? Really? If the aswer is YES you have a big problem and better you go visit a doctor. If it is NOT, and you still considere that this picture is racist, you would need to ask yourself if you are really more racist than you think (oh… they are so different, so nice… so defenceless…If I don’t defend them, who will do?) Blah Blah Blah. For example, I am lame and i am not offended at all when anyone’s joking about that.

    You don’t need to show everybody how much you hate racism. Really, you don’t have to prove anything. I believe you, YOU ARE NOT RACIST. Ok. But please, don’t make that stupid demonstration of civility.

    Every race is different, so there are some features that make us different from other races. We can talk about them, and we are not racist doing so. Every culture is different as well. Many american films use to laugh about, for example, englishmen accent, “aussies are kangarou”, the rednecks, and so on. Is this racism? What’s the difference?

    And please, don’t teach lessons of good behaviour. Better you tie your hooligans at home.

  • Danica // August 14, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    You know what’s sad.. I live in Belgium…and I didn’t even hear about this.. It didn’t even make the papers. The way I found out was through a friend of mine that lives in England who was making a big stink about it. It’s sad that this was only made a big deal by the country that wants to rule the world and it’s puppet.
    I’m not saying it isn’t wrong what they did.. i just think it’s sad that these are the kind of news making it into the papers of these two countries. Meanwhile, there are continuos protests and fights with Tibet. Russia and Georgia are still going at it. The US economy is plunging yet let’s all debate whether Spain is racist or not.

  • diego // August 14, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    My family is from Galithia, Spain. I was born and raised in America. When I tell people I am Spanish they say “you don’t look Spanish” I say you mean I don’t look Mexican. I look very Spanish. Americans are so isolated that the majority of them can’t even point out Spain on a map. I find it ironic that the news is focusing on Spain’s “insult” to China, yet China is one of the most racist countries in the world! They have commited numerous human rights violations, even within the past year. They have practiced genocide forever and are responsible for the majority of the pollution in the world. They can only have one child per couple, and if that child is a female they often kill or otherwise dispose of them so they can have a boy. They overfish the oceans, round up and kill bottle nose dolphins. They still hunt and kill whales. So lets focus on the real villans. GIVE ME AN F’N BREAK!!! If I was on the Spanish team I would just say “get over it!” and find something worth while to be upset about.

  • a. // August 14, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    Diego – Chinese’s human rights violation within their own country to their own people is not an example of their racism. Neither are their environmental violations. If the genocide you mention is in reference to Sudan, they’re not committing it – they’re funding it because they’re in business with the Sudanese government.

  • Juan José // August 14, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    The Spanish basketball team and their sponsors, made the action from a point of view based in the Spanish culture what is absolutely not the Anglo-Saxons culture shared by North American and British. The Spanish only let see with this photo that we are close to the Chinese people. Besides, the Chinese embassy in Spain has already made official that they do not consider this photography racist against the Chinese people. Therefore end of the discussion.

    However, all the backwards society comments about Spain and whatsoever have a direct replica in the British and for sure in the American societies. If you want, we can talk about the 20.000 people who die in the USA every year victims of fire guns including those children who were killed at their school by other 11 years old classmates using M16’s and wearing camouflage clothes. That’s looks like a clear sign of a very advanced US society. Isn’t it?

    But to the point about the ignorance of the Spanish basketball team and Spanish people in general: we can tell you Americans, that we have an independent culture and mentality and we do not act thinking according to the Anglo-Saxon pattern, we are a free country with free people, something that you can not say being war slaves, who are sent to the Iraqi butchery where more than 3.000 young American men and women have left their lives interchanged for oil. Shall we go further?

    So do not evaluate our Spanish actions following your, poisoned and manipulated aggressive military minds trying to distract our players with your underground tricks. Just say that you are afraid to be defeated and you try to bring confusion and polemic.

    We have our ideas clear because Spanish are free people and Spain is a free country and that makes us simply better than you. Besides you are not even the centre of this world, as you may think you are and for your information the Earth turns around the Sun and the Earth is not the centre of the Universe. You egocentric poor souls.

    To close, there is always a big difference between winners and losers and that is, that only real losers are afraid to lose.

    Enjoy the Olympics and congratulations to China for the great performance.

  • USA // August 14, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    Diego,

    As a fellow American, I feel a need to comment on your harangue against China. First off, if you are going to make the claim that China is one of the “most racist places in the world”, try to back that up with rational arguments, as opposed to your knee-jerk claims that they have “committed genocide forever” and are a “responsible for the majority of the pollution in the world” (neither one of which constitutes “racism” technically). You really sound like a mindless automaton when you regurgitate these popular catchphrases. Hate to break it to you, but our great country pollutes more per capita than China by a wide margin.

    Also, if you’re going to make ignorant gross generalizations, at least do a little research. It is the Japanese who still hunt whales (as do Norway and Iceland) and it was the Japanese who have been accused of culling dolphins and overfishing the oceans.

    But hey the Japanese have slanty eyes too so what’s the difference, right? (please note sarcasm)

  • USA // August 14, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    “Spain is a free country and that makes us simply better than you

    “You egocentric poor souls.”

    Juan Jose, care to reconcile these two statements you just made? I in no way ever implied that the USA was “better” than Spain and at the same time I think it’s a bit ridiculous for you to claim that Spain is “better” than the USA and then claim that WE are the “egomaniacs”?

  • Gabe // August 14, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    I think it’s arrogant how many Spanish people commenting here are saying that it is I as a Chinese person who is the racist, because I was offended.
    I like my eyes, I’m proud to be Chinese, and yes, I’m offended.
    Also these same people bring up Tibet and Iraq, slavery and the treatment of Native Americans as examples of why I should not be offended. Yes, I’m well aware that atrocities and racism occur in other places. But that doesn’t make the picture right.
    I can accept that it wasn’t done with conscious ill will. But it is insensitive, and derogatory. I am offended, and a simple “Didn’t mean it to be offensive. Sorry. Won’t do it again.” would have been fine. Just like if I do an action that someone deems as offensive I would apologize and not do again.
    People should be more respectful of one another.
    In that same light, I admit I had some heated thoughts towards Spain in general, but some of the Spanish posters here have been very intelligent and respectful and I appreciate hearing their points of view.

  • Juan José // August 14, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    USA
    It is fine with me how you prefere to make your “intelectual” puzzles, but let’s complete the point, anyone is better than you, just due to the fact that your country is involved in an illegal campaign of criminal actions only to obtain oil for your military machinery. We go nowhere, like other civilazed countries, killing innocent people like you have been doing for many years or we need to start talking about Hiroshima for example. Just understand what respect means and then we can talk about who is better or egocentric.
    But are you american? I do not think so.

  • Common Sense!!!! // August 14, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    Gabe, i dont know if you have been reading the newspapers, but they have been saying “sorry, i didnt mean to offend and we apologize” like very many times for the past three days. Another story is if your USA news reporters dont want to let you know… it´s great to have some easy news to write about, and continuing with all this crap seems to sell a lot.

    Pau G

  • Juan José // August 14, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    Gabe just think that Spanish have converted the discriminatory and racist act of pulling the eyes in a sympathy, closing sign between two countries. With all my respect this was not meant to annoy Chinese or Asian people. We do not feel comfortable either with the idea of being accused of racism for such an insignificant photo.
    So please just do not shoot your nuclear missiles against mosquitos, OK?
    Thanks

  • Common Sense!!!! // August 14, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    pau Gasol has already apologized in The New York Times between another papers.

  • Common Sense!!!! // August 14, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    What else do they have to do? Pull their trousers down so you can slap their buttocks????

  • Francisco // August 14, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    Gabe,

    Thanks for your kind comment about some Spaniards making respect comments here.

    I’m happy to hear your opinion about our country has improved to a certain extent because of this. I guess that’s exactly what dialog is about.

  • USA // August 14, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    Actually Juan Jose, I am American. Born and raised.

    Are you Spanish? I think not. Most Spaniards I have talked to are actually intelligent.

    What’s your point exactly? Please tell me what you are getting at, as “unintellectually” as possible, which should come naturally to you.

    Keep kidding yourself that you are “better” than all Americans

  • NoDiG // August 14, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    The guy who said about posing a picture with sombreros and empanadas, well he’s just ignorant. Now, if i say posing a picture with tons of Tapas on them, it makes more sense. Regardless, those who find the picture not offensive, well ya’ll are retarded. Matter of fact, i just got myself some tickets for the Spain’s mens bball game and i’ll be throwing some tapas and spanish fly to the whole team. Chupa mi la pinga you Spaniards. Bunch of chupitos!

  • Juan José // August 14, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    I see USA, you don’t get it and the problem is that you’ll never get it right. Fine, you trying to underestimate my intelligence, but you fail if you want to pull me into your level.
    And don’t take everything so literally, ‘better’ is symbolic baby.
    The difference and the point is that Spanish are free people and the Americans are war slaves, do you figure it “better” now?
    I’m from Madrid and if you want I can send you my address and telephone number, that the CIA can book a direct flight to Guantanamo hahaha losers

  • Juan José // August 14, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    USA is knocked down, probably trying to hide his nickname to cover his shame, hahaha losers

  • USA // August 14, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Juan Jose, it’s a shame I have reduced myself to your level of immaturity and I’m sure I’ll regret it later, but hey, it’s a slow day and your ignorance is very irritating (like a fly), so let’s have it.

    First off, I don’t underestimate your intelligence, you ARE unintelligent solely by your blinding anti-American generalizations. You seem to have fallen victim to the classic faux pas of holding a country’s citizens responsible for its government’s actions. By that logic, I should hold you responsible for Franco’s fascist, oppressive rule and his human rights violations in Spain. Oh and for the record, your government was an ally to the Bush administraton and stationed troops in Iraq as well, so your hands are just as “bloody” as mine apparently are.

    The Americans are “war slaves”. Hmmm, not sure what that means, sounds eerily similar to propaganda.

    Yes, I’ve been to Madrid, but don’t really need your personal information. Have you been to the USA? I doubt it

  • Juan José // August 14, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    No dejeis que estos tocapelotas, moscas cojoneras nos arrinconen con sus mentiras, insultos y ofensas. Me siento orgulloso de ser español y defenderé mi país y los míos hasta donde haga falta. Y sin ser el centro del mundo como estos soplagaitas se creen, nuestro país tiene muchas cosas buenas que ofrecer en muchos aspectos. A DISFRUTARLAS!!

    VIVA ESPAÑA!!!

  • USA // August 14, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    Juan Jose, I assure you that as great as your ignorance is amusing, I feel no shame for anything you have written about myself or my country. I don’t know how to be more emphatic about that. Time to take your medication.

  • USA // August 14, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    Definition of irony. Juan Jose accuses me of “hiding” my nickname and then makes a post completely in Spanish. Are you a man?

  • Gabe // August 14, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    @Francisco: Indeed. Thanks for participating on the comments section. I’m glad to see some voices of reason.

    @Juan José: That flat out is not a proper way of showing sympathy. If that was the true intent, then it was badly mishandled. If you want to show sympathy, then show sympathy for the feelings of all the asians who are offended. Don’t tell them that it is a sympathetic gesture and they should not shoot nuclear missiles at mosquitos. That is the complete opposite of sympathy.

    @Common Sense: Not to split hairs, but the apology I saw from Calderon said that those who took it offensively are confused.

    “From here I would like to declare that we have a huge respect for the East and their people,” Calderon wrote in his blog. “Anyone who would like to interpret this differently is absolutely confused.”

    Or how about this:
    Yet Jose Luis Saez, president of the Spanish Basketball Federation, told CNN on Thursday that people are wrong to suggest the photograph has racist overtones. “It’s simply ridiculous,” he said. “It was a gesture of affection … and identification with the Chinese people.”

    It seems like empathy is too much to ask for from some people.

  • Juan José // August 14, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    USA, whoever you are, I love you too, but please do not vote Bush’s policy again; country’s citizens have, at the end of the day, the government that they disserve. Unfortunately, some years ago they were cheating in Florida, to get Bush there. Watch out your democracy, I’d like to see Americans enjoying of more freedom.
    You don’t have it and that’s worries me. I also like American people, sorry to take you as punching ball, nothing personal, believe me, but your newspapers offenses are also molesting. I go home and wish you peacefully dreams, whoever you are.

  • Antonio // August 14, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Well… I’m spanish and let me tell you that I have lived in England (Birmingham) for 4 years and I think Britain is the most racist country in the world. In fact, every foreigners I have asked about this subject agree with me that all english people treat them like SHIT (I include myself in, just because I am not english I have felt how they treat me).

  • Annoyed // August 14, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    I think that someone of you really need to get a life.. including with USA, the only repeated name on this site over and over again. Dude, get a fucking JOB!!!

  • Leese // August 14, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    This is an extreme act of immaturity. Not only did the basketball team offend the people of China but think of how many people with an Asian background who possess this trait who were offended as well! I see a lot of comments saying “no harm done”, “big deal”, and “the Chinese are racist too.” Wake up. This is obviously racist. I thought the world was evolving, but thanks to this certain basketball team and whoever’s bright idea this was we are successfully devolving! Good job guys. You disgraced your country whether your country admits to it or not!

  • Francisco // August 14, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    Juan José, Antonio. My dear, dear compatriots.
    I really don’t want to flame you but I think (judging from you first post, Juan Jose) you’re recoverable.

    I understand you feel threatened by all the criticism but, as a poster put it, it only means we’re under the spolight now. Every country has aspects to be proud of and things to be ashamed of. Just look at all the cricism piled against China, some has merit, some has not. Unfortunately racism seems to be part of the unsavory side of many countries around the world. Great countries are those that acknowledge this and try to fight it, not those that pretend to be perfect.
    What side do you want to be on?

    Antonio,
    I’m sorry to hear you’ve been mistreated in the UK but the fact there is racism there does not come as a surprise and is absolutely no excuse for insensitivity on the part of Spain.

    The way I see it and this is of course criticism but not enmity, the main mistakes made by some Spaniards in this forum are:
    - Over rationalizing the faux-pas of the Spanish BB team before and even instead of acknowledging it might have hurt some people’s feelings. This includes repeating “ad nauseam” that other countries are just as racist, quite right but beyond the point.
    - Generalizing a country’s features or politics and applying to every single citizen. USA (the poster) has made a good job of explaining this.
    - Most important: addressing the wrong people. This is not us (Spaniards) vs. them ( British yellow press, American government, …). It’s about all of us (well-willing Asian, Spanish, “anglo-saxon” -you name it- people) trying to mend offenses made (willingly or not) by others and coming to a better understanding. Obnoxious, purposefully insulting posters hardly count. Don’t be one of them.

    Juan José,
    Your first post had a nice tone and it showed a lot of empathy towards William. That’s why I’m bothering to explain my view to you. I just don’t reply to obnoxious posters. I give this simple advice in complete good faith and with no intention to make you feel uncomfortable: don’t let yourself be carried away just for a need to explain and justify every action made by Spanish people. You can still be proud of your country even if it’s not perfect, just acknowledge what’s wrong and improve what you can.

    And, believe it or not, I still had something to say about what the difference might be between Spanish and, say, American racism. But be relieved you must be fed up of reading this loooong post.

    Maybe some other time.
    Cheers every one

  • GIBRALTAR // August 14, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    A lo largo de la historia no os cayeron suficientes ostias a los ingleses..que pena

  • Lucas // August 14, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    When “USA” and the others are 80 years old or so, they will finally understand what this is all about. They will realize how racist they are.

    In the meantime, the Chinese Gov. fully supports the Spanish team and has not asked for an apology because they don’t see the world with racist resentful eyes.

    It’s funny to see the situation from outside: Spain and China are friends, while “The Guardian” and all the others hatemongers keep on publishing their crap about it… but they have not been able to convince us that having slanty eyes is bad. Sorry, guys. We are not interested in your racism. Have a nice day.

  • David // August 14, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    Spanish players have apologised… so I cannot understand so many postings and replies.

    An important point is the fact of not knowing that this picture could be offensive (as in Spain, for whatever reasons, we would do that more as a joke, a funny gesture). Knowing that this could be offensive, players have apologised.

    Second point, the big reaction to this picture has come from abroad, especially anglo-saxon media. Guess this is this way because these countries are much more concerned with political correctness. Or being more suspicious, there could be some dark intentions trying to sell Spain as a racist country, as any incident, whatever the importance, is rapidly shown in anglo-saxons media.

    Writing from Zaragoza -and having commented the disgraced event with the Barcelona’s footballer Eto’o incident-, I will only say that if someone is to blame in all this is the media. That evening, only some sick, racist and stupid assholes booed Etoo… they made considerable noise but they were a minority: the media sold it as it was the whole stadium. False! But the media gave them publicity. Nowadays, if someone tries to do that, is at that very moment booed by the whole stadium. It’s incredible how people generalizes… Zaragoza is quite a multi-cultural city where I can tell you everybody integrates so quick… Eto’o was criticised for making a whole circus of that and for giving these assholes too much publicity.

    Of course, players are also the ones to blame for making this mistake.. but media sometimes needs to sell desperately!!

    Generalization is so wrong!!! There’s racism anywhere wether is USA, UK, Spain, China… everywhere!!! I wish this could end up some day. But a racist incident cannot justify saying that a whole country is racist, as some do in these forum.

    No to racism!. From Spain,
    David

  • Marisa // August 14, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    In response to Lucas uninformed comment about tecquila and burritos. Tecquila is Mexican and Burrito are really an american thing. Get the facts right!

  • Lucas // August 14, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    David, you are one of those who always have 50-50 opinions. “The players have made a mistake and the english press has also made a mistake.” That’s what people without an opinion say. Rubbish. The Spanish team has not apologized because there is no reason to apologize. Actually they are considering the possibility of starting legal actions against those english hatemongers.

    And Marisa, which message are you talking about?

  • Christa // August 14, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    I think this picture depicts 100% racism! The problem with the Spaniards is that they don’t even know what the real definition of racism is. They know what it is but their concept is totally different.
    I live in Spain and racism is very high. They, ok I am generalising here!dislike gypsies, blacks, Moroccans, well basically any race or colour which is not Spanish. There is a huge % of orientals residing in Spain and this pic is an absolute disgrace to sport in general and to the country.
    La Marca and the basketball team ought to make an apology instead of justifying this bad marketing of a pic. The Chinese are too humble and educated to make a fuss, but believe me there is a lot of blood boiling worldwide right now. Calderon is an idiot, I hope Madrid lose their chances@holding the 2016 games as the country should educate it’s ppl first.
    I was mega upset over the taunts Lewis Hamilton got in Barcelona, also the constant racist rants towards coloured players at footy matches in Spain. Something must be done as these clowns and racists will never change.
    The pic is not funny at all and whoever thinks it is needs their head tested. Whoever thinks life goes on is obviously oblivious to the type of cruel society we live in.
    I get taunts all the time and the Spaniards think this is acceptable well it bloody isn’t! I always retaliate. Ok so they lived through the Franco period but that’s no excuse the govt ought to do something about racism.
    I wrote to LaMarca and all the directors about this and to various orgs it’s a total disgrace.

  • Lucas // August 14, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    Where are those separate desks for foreigners? Hahahaha, I have never seen them, but I’d love to … LOL.

  • Lucas // August 14, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    “The Chinese are too humble and educated to make a fuss”

    Or maybe it was not a racist gesture, and the only racist person is you. Think about it.

  • Get a Life // August 14, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    Hey Christa..
    Instead of complaining get your “bloody” ass out of Spain.. and GO back home. You’re absolutely right, we are racist.. AGAINST PEOPLE LIKE YOU! Ignorante, comes de un pais y aun tienes las putas pelotas de hablar mal del. Vete a la mierda cabrona!

  • Get a Life // August 14, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    You say there is a worldwide fuss going on.. yeah in the same place as where another poster put it.. in the country that wants to rule the world and it’s puppet..
    The rest of the world isn’t bothered by the kind of stupidities that occupy your mind.

  • Get a Life // August 14, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    La Marca y las otras organizaciones a cuales le escribiste seguro que se limpiaron el culo con tus cartas.. tonta!
    Spain is a country where people have freedom of speech and freedom of the press. If a journalist wants to write something, he/she will do it without the government having a say. I know that’s a hard concept for you to understand but it’s true. We have real freedom of speech, so if that makes us 3rd world, then so be it. I rather be 3rd world like in Spain, then in a fake democracy like the UK and US.

  • Queen Elizabeth #2 // August 14, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    it’s funny that the only time english folk call Scots, N Irish and Welsh people ‘British’, is when they do well in Olympic sports or music/films/tv shows. But when it’s anything negative or whatever, its ‘the Welsh/Scots/Irish.

    for example

    Andy Murray, the fabulous British tennis player

    or

    Andy Murray, the Scottish tennis player who got knocked out in the first round!

    Yip, thats how it goes folks

  • Queen Elizabeth #2 // August 14, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    I am English, and I am ashamed of being English, as all we are famous for now is being a drunken load of yobs. The women are not happy unless they have got their knickers around their ankles, and the guys are not happy unless they are pissed and causing trouble.

  • England // August 14, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    This is England:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm-FqTZqcy0

  • Francisco // August 15, 2008 at 12:04 am

    Hi Lucas. May I try to explain to you what I think this is all about? I think I understand now after reading many, many posts (the reasonable, informative ones, others don’t count). Remember I’m a Spaniard and my views were originally just like yours.

    Explanation:
    You know people around the world think of “toreros” (bullfighters”) when talking about us, Spaniards. They may say “hi, torero” and stuff. Well, no big deal. Some people in Spain like bullfighting, some can’t stand it, others don’t think much about it. You understand it’s a childish, simplistic stereotype. It may be used affectionately “I really like this torero man” or disparagingly “you toreros sure are arrogants” but it is still a mild way of showing contempt.

    That’s the way we Spaniards and (I think, based on official reactions and Newton’s comments) many people in mainland China think about the slant-eyed gesture. That shows the gesture itself needs not be insulting, that’s your point.

    But, let’s suppose further that a great number of Spaniards emigrate to another country, let’s call it “Gondoland” so we remove any associations.
    Spaniards are completely surrounded by native Gondolese. Some are friendly, others aggressive, many indifferent but suspicious. At any rate they all use the trite word “torero” to refer to Spaniards, both in third person and as way of addressing them. It starts getting annoying and you begin to notice it’s hard for you to really get to know a new group of Gondolese because they call you “torero” all the time and they tend to imply you are sowewhat “torero-like” (whateever that means: arrogant, folkloric, old-fashioned, …) and similar to other “toreros”. You want to say “Hey, I’m Lucas. I don’t really mind being called torero but I’m an individual person and have never really attended a bullfight”. The childish, harmless word has become a barrier.

    But let’s further suppose there are actions of violence against Spaniards in Gondoland. These things happen you know. They may be isolated events. The racist group would call themselves “torero killers”, target isolated Spaniards, put them a “montera” (torero hat) and then beat them or something.
    And sometimens you are told “get out of my bar, dirty torero” and “no toreros allowed in this disco”.
    Maybe there’s even a general, Gondoland-wide hatred movement against “toreros”. Not every Gondolese is in favour, maybe haters are just a 10% of the population: that’s still a lot of people (something like that happened in “the yellow threat” years). You get refused, despised and abused and every time you hear the same word as an announcement of or an excuse for the abuse.

    Maybe there’s a war between Gondoland and Spain and, just in case, all gondolese of Spanish origin (maybe of the second or third generation) get confined into concentration camps where they are always and uniquely called “toreros” and mistreated systematically (happened to Japanese-Americas, Vic has eloquently posted about it)

    Little by little, society in Gondoland evolves. Most people were never aggressive to Spaniards in the first place (only enough to make things nasty) and social movements, more education, … makes people appreciate diversity. Change is slow as it always is. There are always some hate groups. But they get scarce and are despised by the general population. A sign of the evolution: only explicitly racist people, who also tend to be backward and uneducated, use the word “torero” to refer to Spaniards. Everyone is aware of what the term stands for.

    And then, suddenly, an olympic team from a different country, a country which (although far from perfect and with standard racist issues of their own) seemed neutral and even nice go to play to Spain and pose for a photograph disguised as toreros. You get the picture.

    Don’t get me wrong, I very much doubt “The Guardian” was interested in the feelings of Asian communities around the world, I guess the really enjoyed the chance of selling more papers by letting their readers feel superior to the ignorant Spaniards who don’t even understand the gesture might hurt (most Britons are not like that but there are enough that get a high from feeling superior that this hatemonging business can make profits).

    To sum up, both of your points are right. You say:
    a) A slant-eyed, per se, is not a insult (just as the word “torero” is not an insult or painting your black face).
    b) British tabloids are moving this thing to get profits.

    But it’s the other part you didn’t know (neither did I) that really matters: many people, especially Asian communities in Western countries are hurt because of the HISTORY of the gesture (same thing with “blackfaces”, a big no-no in modern time USA for the same reason).

    Don’t take anything back from what you are saying: keep denouncing yellow press antics. Insist that the Spanish team didn’t know the meaning of the gesture. But please, please do address people hurt by all this and show empathy.

    Un abrazo, amigo

  • Get a Life // August 15, 2008 at 12:17 am

    Francisco.. please, are you honestly trying to pose as a Spaniard. Come on now.. Get real!
    Who cares what’s acceptable in the US.. this ad was supposed to be seen only by the Spanish people, until the stupid British media put it out there. And the US since they kiss the UK’s ass and vice versa had to jump on the bandwagon. Have you ever seen some of the things published in the US and analyzed whether they are racist or not.. SO IT’S OK FOR A BLACK MAN TO SAY THAT ALL WHITE WOMEN ARE HO’S ON T.V BUT A BASKETBALL TEAM CAN’T MAKE SLANTED EYES???

  • Get a Life // August 15, 2008 at 12:18 am

    AND LEAVE LUCAS THE FUCK ALONE.. THE MAN IS ALLOWED TO DEFEND HIS COUNTRY TO THE DEATH IF HE CHOOSES.

  • Francisco // August 15, 2008 at 12:21 am

    Me voy a acostar porque son las tantas (tres menos diez de la madrugada en España. Ya nos vemos mañana.

    I’m willing to translate if someone’s interested, but it’s not important, it’s just to show that I AM a Spaniard.

    Besos

  • Ah! // August 15, 2008 at 12:22 am

    I would like to take you all back to 2006.. to when the US brought home the bronze in Japan. The picture that the NYT published was the 3 idiots (of the NBA) doing the military pose. I’m not sure if you all are too close minded to remember but the Japanese too high offense to this.. it was all over the Japanese media but the NYT printed that picture as saying “look at our boys they made us proud”.
    It was only 2 years ago.. not 100, no 2. 2 years ago that the “dream team” offended the shit out of the Japanese yet in the US they never saw anything wrong and the newspapers had no problem with it..
    SOUND FAMILIAR???

  • Get a Life // August 15, 2008 at 12:22 am

    anyone can speak spanish now a days.. they do teach it in school.. are you really trying to say that speaking spanish makes you spanish!

  • Gibraltar Español // August 15, 2008 at 1:40 am

    Con diez canones por banda
    viento en popa a toda vela
    no surca el mar sino vuela

    My most sincere apologies to the Chinese people, if they feel offended, my apologies also to Americans for not seeing this case as explicitly racist, but rather as inappropriate. But overall, I need to apologyze to the French, for having been fighting each other during all our lives, instead of supporting each other and adding our efforts to complete the full romanization of Britannia. It’s too late now, and the sons and daughters of Britannia have spread all around the world with their archaic ideas developed over two millennia in a little island. Where will this lead us to….

  • Jesus // August 15, 2008 at 1:42 am

    Spaniards = Racist

  • Gibraltar Español // August 15, 2008 at 1:54 am

    Jesús, you don’t believe the whole BB team did not do it on purpose or you think they’re lying about what they felt? Does the equation above you think the 45 million people in this world with spanish passports are racist? If so what is the cause? A virus in the air of the Iberian penninsula? Is it genetic maybe? Why are we so racist in your opinion?

  • Gibraltar Español // August 15, 2008 at 1:57 am

    Maybe God has punished us by making us racist…but why us?

  • Gibraltar Español // August 15, 2008 at 2:26 am

    I’m laughing as I remember now…During the 1996 Euro, a few days before our great friends the British played against us in quarter finals, many British newspapers (also called panfletos in other places of the world) published a few jokes, such us “spanish women have larger mustaches than men”, which I did not find too disrespectful, and even kind of funny, again, when told amongst friends, a healthy joke. Some others, such as the major ” inventions that came from spain being the inquisition and Syphilis” were more cruel, besides being innacurate in the former and poorly documented in the later case.
    Cree el ladron que todos son de su condicion. In any case, despite syphilis and other intentional massaccres we have apologyzed for all the inimaginable damage caused by us in the past 500 years. I know those lost lives will never come back, neither will the gold we cowardly stole.

    The native american population in the US is estimated to be between 1.5 and 2.5 million, out of a little over 300 million. Their gold reserve accounts for over 78% of the world’s total.

    It’s a strange world, isn’t it?

  • Gibraltar Español // August 15, 2008 at 2:56 am

    My theory on what makes societies the way they are is the contrary of Mr Adam Smith’s “The wealth of nation’s” piece of art considred the best of British inventions, that theory that, intending to be an example of ethical trade is tough in all business schools,and is really the cause of a lot of distress in the world today. The abusive exponential capitalism of speculating the value of everything. “You can basically sell even your mother, but hey, there are rules, you can only sell her once.” In today’s financial capitals of the world, London, New York, Hong Kong, thanks to this invention, one can make big money by selling air at the price of gold and buying the gold back at the price of shit the next day. Unfortunately this is not unique to its place of origin anymore but it is all over the world.

    My theory has a more natural approach. It has to do with natural forces. Here is what some of us think: We know that the Sun is the greatest source of energy in this planet, without which life on earth would not have been possible. The politically incorrect point of view of some Greek scholars was that those lands where no olive trees or vine trees could grow were simply barbaric in nature. The truth is that even I see that view exaggerated, but since many centuries have passed, I took the liberty to slightly modify and modernize that view according to what I see now.
    Things we need to be physically and emotionally stable (not very different from the plants):
    -Water (But not too much)
    -Food
    -SUN
    -Affection (I don’t want to be very explicit because there are very sensitive people)
    -Communication with our environment

    Some geographical locations provide these conditions to different degrees, and therefore affecting the quality of our lives. Limited, restricted or confined spaces also affect our qualitative development.
    Anyway, I have to go to bed because I work early tomorrow.
    Peace

  • Jesus // August 15, 2008 at 3:47 am

    Its obvious to me that people in spain is still stuck in the past and needs to catch up to the rest of the modern world.

  • Jesus // August 15, 2008 at 3:50 am

    What a bunch of 3rd world losers!!!

  • Jesus // August 15, 2008 at 3:53 am

    Pau Gasol is the best athlete to come out of Spain and he sucks. He didn’t do anything in the NBA Finals but get pushed around like a little toilet cleaning spanish girl. Pathetic.

  • Juan José // August 15, 2008 at 8:36 am

    Algún miembro del club: “la fuerza de la razón” en linea?

  • Juan José // August 15, 2008 at 8:40 am

    Primero buenos días 11:07 a.m. G.M.T. Amsterdam.
    Requested permission to engage losers on line

  • Juan José // August 15, 2008 at 9:02 am

    Thanks Francisco for the advice.

    I just try to clean up my house from the hazardous poisoned inoculated misery from the UK and USA pamphlets and I’m in my right to do it.

    By the way, now that whole Spain has apologized for the misunderstanding of the photo,
    we the Spanish, now expect and request the Guardian and New York Post to apologize for accusing Spain of bringing racism to the Olympics.

    Please anybody let me know when this has happened?

  • Brit in Spain // August 15, 2008 at 9:33 am

    As a Briton living in Spain I was somewhat astonished to read in the Guardian on Sunday a holier than thou piece accusing the Spanish of racism (yet again). This time the ‘culprits’ are the Spanish basketball team at the Beijing Olympics.

    The Guardian article starts: “Spain’s Basketball Federation has published a good luck advert for their men’s team, the world champions, in which they stand pulling at the sides of their eyes in a slit-eyed gesture.”

    The Guardian “staff”, who don’t even have the courage to sign with their own names, then accuse the Spanish of being “irresponsible” and that the picture”could be interpreted so as to lead to accusations of racism.” Possible, but only by a racist.

    Of course, this leads us to question, exactly what the purpose of this article was. One reason could be to put the Chinese public against the Spanish basketball team who play the US tomorrow, and are serious challengers for the Olympic gold medal.

    Sid Lowe, one of the Guardian’s football journalists, who actually lives in Spain and should know better, then took up the torch on Monday:

    “The advert features two large photographs, one of the men’s basketball team, above, and one of the women’s team. Both squads pose in full Olympic kit on a basketball court decorated with a picture of a Chinese dragon. Every single player appears pulling back the skin on either side of their eyes. The advert carries the symbol of the sport’s governing body.

    No one involved in the advert appears to have considered it inappropriate nor contemplated the manner in which it could be interpreted in China and elsewhere. No offence was intended by the advert, but whether the Chinese see it that way is a different matter”

    I say should know better because, as a sports reporter for the Guardian living in Spain, he should have been aware, as the NYT was aware, that “Spain basketball has been sponsored by and wearing uniforms made by the Chinese company Li-Ning since 2002 and just signed an agreement to continue doing so through 2012. ”

    They quoted Calderón, the Spanish player in the Toronto Raptors as saying ““Whoever wants to interpret something different is totally confused.”
    “It turns out that in the photo shoot for the submission of our team, one of our sponsors asked us to make, as a ‘wink’ to our participation in Beijing, an expression of Eastern eyes — we felt it was something appropriate and that it would always be interpreted as an affectionate gesture,” Calderon says. “However, some European media have not looked on it well,” laments the linchpin of the national team.
    Calderon denies any racist tinge in the gesture and expressed his “great respect for the East and its people.” The Extremaduran highlighted his great personal relationship with several Chinese friends by his team in the NBA, Toronto Raptors, and recalled that the sports brand Li Ning China outfits the Spanish team as one of its sponsors.”

    And, as the Spanish daily El País published yesterday, the Chinese Embassy in Madrid also said they didn’t consider it offensive and were sure that no one in China would have been offended by the advert either: “ese gesto no lo entendemos como una ofensa”.

    The FEB (Spanish Basketball Federation) is now looking at taking legal action against the Guardian and Sid Lowe, and quite rightly too, as they consider that the only meaning of the gesture is one of “affection, friendliness and recognition” (“el único significado de dicho gesto es de cariño, simpatía y reconocimiento, que es lo que siente esta federación por el pueblo chino y su país.”)

    This is once again another gesture of British double standards, intending to foist onto others their puritanical and hypocritical morals, considering the deep racism at all levels of British society.

    Sid Lowe is quite happy taking money from Spanish television (he is a football commentator for the Spansh TV La Sexta) while sticking the knife in the back of Spanish sport. One hopes they will send him packing.

  • Juan José // August 15, 2008 at 10:14 am

    1.- Yes Spanish are racist, I acknowledge that, it is a shame.

    2.- The photo meant to show affection, friendliness and recognition, is definitely not racist or offensive, it is clumsy due to ignorance.
    Apologize to those Chinese not comfortable with the photo. It won’t happen again.

    3.- The sith lord (Sid Lowe) must be fired from La Sexta and sent back right away to his queen in the UK, with no chance to return to our country. Let’s put rubbish on its place.

    Thanks Brit in Spain for the moderation and accurate information. You are very welcome.

  • John Bull // August 15, 2008 at 10:43 am

    Whether the Spaniards understand it or not, slanty eyes are clearly a sign of inferiority, that’s why the gesture is racist because it stresses that defect of the Eastern races.

  • Lucas // August 15, 2008 at 10:46 am

    Brit: of course we will not send him packing. We love being stabbed, so he’ll get a pay rise.

  • Gibraltar Español // August 15, 2008 at 11:54 am

    Buenos dias desde LA Florida. I think Napoleon was right, shame we did not realize before…

  • Chiang Kai-shek // August 15, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Sorry John Bull, but I don’t feel any inferiority at all because of having that “defect”. Because I’m proud of my race I don’t feel any offense in that gesture.

  • El Cid Campeador // August 15, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    your mental defect is definitely much worse John Bull

  • Gibraltar Español // August 15, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    Chiang Kai-shek, you just proved the whole point, there is no offense in that gesture per se. Only those with contradicting views, those who proclaimed freedom and democracy while owning slaves would see that as a derogatory gesture. In ancient Greece these people were called Hypocrites.

  • Chiang Kai-shek // August 15, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    I’m getting some impacient with few people in the USA and in the UK who look at our look in that way like Mr. Sid Lowe (The Guardian).

  • OBI-WAN // August 15, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    do you mean the SITH LORD? the one in the dark side?

  • El Cid Campeador // August 15, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    The case is closed. Just like Sid Lowe and his Guardian both in the dark jail for intoxicating and manipulate people, corrupting minds and telling lies in order to obtain economic benefits.

  • chris // August 15, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    John bull, you are awesome. I am glad someone is speaking the truth.. btw, when is the next hitler youth rally coming to town?

  • guillem // August 15, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Hi, this is a Catalan one!

    Once we recognize the existence of any race, we become racists.

    This is not a question of racism, it is a question of respect. Is Spain respectful? is the whole world respectful?? let’s stop all the wars first, then, let’s talk about respect… and racism if you preffer.

  • guillem // August 15, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    Everybody knows that the ones who see a problem on this are the ones who has the real problem on themselves. Hypocrisy is how we call it. It’s ridiculous… one more time. What is gonna be next?

  • Asian American // August 15, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    John Bull is a sample of people who believe they’re helping us. That’s the way those WASP consider us.

  • AA // August 15, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Asian Americans are Americans of Asian ancestry. They include sub-ethnic groups such as Chinese Americans, Filipino Americans, Indian Americans, Vietnamese Americans, Korean Americans, Japanese Americans and others whose national origin is from the Asian continent. In Oxford dictionary, “Asian person” in the United States is sometimes thought of as a person of East Asian descent. Some claim that in common reference[citation needed] “Asian” refers to those of East Asia or Vietnamese descent or anyone else of Asian descent with an epicanthic eyefold. This lags behind the US government definition and general usage in many parts of the US and many consider those of Asian descent without epicanthic eyefolds “Asian”[2][3][4]. In the US Census people who originate from the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia and the Indian Subcontinent are classified as part of the Asian race.

    The term Asian American was used informally by activists in the 1960s who sought an alternative to the term Oriental, arguing that the latter was derogatory and colonialist. Formal usage was introduced by academics in the early 1970s, notably by historian Yuji Ichioka, who is credited with popularizing the term.[5] Today, Asian American is the accepted term for most formal purposes, such as government and academic research, although it is often shortened to Asian in common usage.

    As with other racial and ethnicity based terms, formal and common usage have changed markedly through the short history of this term. The most significant change occurred when the Hart-Celler Act of 1965 eliminated highly restrictive “national origins” quotas, designed, among other things, to restrict immigration of those of Asian racial background.[6] The new system, based on skills and family connections to U.S. residents, enabled significant immigration from every nation in Asia, which led to dramatic and ongoing changes in the Asian American population. As a result of these population changes, the formal and common understandings of what defines Asian American have expanded to include more of the peoples with ancestry from various parts of Asia. Because of their more recent immigration, new Asian immigrants also have had different educational, economic and other characteristics than early 20th century immigrants. They also tend to have different employment and settlement patterns in the United States.
    Contents

    See also: Asian American history

    Early History

    In 1763, Filipinos established the small settlement of Saint Malo in the bayous of current-day Louisiana, after fleeing mistreatment aboard Spanish ships. Since there were no Filipino women with them, the Manilamen, as they were known, married Cajun and Native American women.[7]

    Chinese sailors first came to Hawaii in 1778[citation needed], the same year that Captain James Cook came upon the island. Many settled and married Hawaiian women. Some Island-born Chinese can claim to be 7th generation. Most Chinese, Korean and Japanese immigrants in Hawaii arrived in the 19th century as laborers to work on sugar plantations. Later, Filipinos also came to work as laborers, attracted by the job opportunities, although they were limited.

    Numerous Chinese and Japanese began immigrating to the U.S. in the mid-19th century for work, because of poor economic conditions in their home nations. Many of the immigrants worked as laborers on the transcontinental railroad. Although the absolute numbers of Asian immigrants in the late 19th century were small compared to that from other regions, much of it was concentrated in the West, and the increase caused some Americans to fear the change represented by the growing number of Asians. This fear was referred to as the “yellow peril.” The United States passed laws such as Asian Exclusion Act and Chinese Exclusion Act to sharply restrict Asian immigration.[8]

    Effects of World War II

    See also: Japanese American internment

    During World War II, the United States government declared Japanese Americans a risk to national security and undertook the Japanese American Internment, authorized by President Franklin Roosevelt with United States Executive Order 9066. This controversial action forced the relocation of approximately 112,000 to 120,000 Japanese and Japanese Americans, taking them from the west coast of the United States to hastily constructed War Relocation Centers in remote portions of the nation’s interior. This shameful chapter in US history was a result of war hysteria, racial discrimination, and economic competition. Sixty-two percent of those forced to relocate were United States citizens. Starting in 1990, the government paid some reparations to the surviving internees in recognition of the harm it had caused them and their families.

    Despite the internment, many Japanese American men served in World War II in the American forces. The 442nd Regimental Combat Team/100th Infantry Battalion, composed of Japanese Americans, is the most highly decorated unit in U.S. military history. The 442nd/100th fought valiantly in the European Theater even as many of their families remained in the detention camps stateside. The 100th was one of the first units to liberate the Nazi extermination camp at Dachau.

    Terminology

    The most commonly used definition of Asian American is the US Census Bureau definition of Asian,[9] chiefly because the Census definitions determine many government classifications, notably for equal opportunity programs and measurements. People with origins in the Far East, Southeast Asia and the Indian Subcontinent are included in the Census definition of Asia.[10] The use of a separate “Asian” category in the Census is a recent addition, beginning in 1990. Since then, the Census definitions have varied. The 2000 census divided the Asian/Pacific Islander group and created Pacific Islander ethnicities as a separate category.

    Before 1980, Census forms listed particular Asian ancestries as separate groups, along with White and Black or Negro.[11] Asian Americans had also been classified as “other”.[12] The 1980 census marked the first classification of Asians as a large group, combining several individual ancestry groups into “Asian or Pacific Islander.” By the 1990 census, Asian or Pacific Islander (API) was included as an explicit category, although respondents had to select one particular ancestry.[13][14] In the 2000 census, people reporting Middle Eastern ancestry but not reporting race are presumed to be in the white race category rather than Asian.[10]

    Finally, the definition of Asian American has variations that derive from the use of the word American in different contexts. Immigration status, citizenship, acculturation, and language ability are some variables that are used to define American for various purposes and may vary in formal and everyday usage.[15] For example, restricting American to include only U.S. citizens conflicts with discussions of Asian American businesses, which generally refer both to citizen and non-citizen owners.[16]

    In a recent PBS interview, a panel of Asian American writers discussed how some groups include people from the Middle East in the Asian American category.[17] Asian American author Stewart Ikeda has noted, “The definition of “Asian American” also frequently depends on who’s asking, who’s defining, in what context, and why… the possible definitions of “Asian-Pacific American” are many, complex, and shifting… some scholars in Asian American Studies conferences suggest that Russians, Iranians, and Israelis all might fit the field’s subject of study.”

  • AA // August 15, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Demographics

    Main article: Demographics of Asian Americans

    Metropolitan Areas with the Highest Population of Asian Americans (2000 Census)[19] Metropolitan Area Metropolitan population % of Asian Americans
    Honolulu, Hawaii MSA (Honolulu County) 876,156 46.0
    San Francisco Bay Area 7,039,362 18.4
    Greater Los Angeles Area 16,373,645 10.4
    Sacramento Metropolitan Area 1,796,857 9.0
    San Diego, California MSA (San Diego County) 2,813,833 8.9
    Seattle Metropolitan Area 3,554,760 7.9
    New York Metropolitan Area 21,199,865 6.8
    Las Vegas Metropolitan Area 1,863,282 6.7
    Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area 7,608,070 5.3
    Greater Houston 4,669,571 4.9
    Chicago Metropolitan Area 9,098,316 4.3
    Dallas–Fort Worth Metroplex 5,487,956 3.6

    The demographics of Asian Americans describe a heterogeneous group of people in the United States who can trace their ancestry to one or more countries in Asia. Because Asian Americans total less than 5% of the entire U.S. population, the diversity of the group is often disregarded in media and news discussions of “Asians” or of “Asian Americans.” While there are some commonalities across ethnic sub-groups, there are significant differences among different Asian ethnicities that are related to each group’s history.

    The 2006 U.S. census recorded 14.6 million people who reported themselves as having either full or partial Asian heritage, 4.9% of the U.S. population. The largest ethnic subgroups are Chinese (3.6 million), Filipinos (2.9 million), Asian Indians (2.7 million), Vietnamese (1.6 million), Koreans (1.5 million) , and Japanese (1.2 million). Other sizable groups are Cambodians (206,000), Pakistanis (204,000), Laotians (198,000), Hmong (186,000), and Thais (150,000).[19]

    The Asian American population is heavily urbanized, with nearly three-quarters of Asian Americans living in metropolitan areas with population greater than 2.5 million. Asian Americans are concentrated in the largest U.S. cities, with 40% of all Asian Americans living in the metropolitan areas around Los Angeles, San Francisco, and New York City. Half of all Asian Americans (5.4M) live in Hawaii or the West Coast, mostly in California (4.2M). Census data shows that Asian American populations are developing in major metropolitan areas away from the West Coast, with visible communities in areas such as Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area and Greater Houston, to name the largest examples.

    In regions with large numbers of Asian Americans, suburban communities have developed that are heavily or predominantly Asian. The schools in these areas may offer languages such as Mandarin as a second language. Since the 1970s, in addition to Chinatowns, “Little Manila”, “Koreatowns” and “Little Saigons” have appeared in several cities. Large Japantowns once existed up and down the West Coast because of extensive Japanese immigration. The ones that remain are vestiges of once vibrant pre-World War II communities whose members, like other Americans, moved out into the suburbs and larger communities.

    Asian Americans are visible and growing. They are “underrepresented” (against the national aggregate) in several of the largest areas, including Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, and Dallas-Fort Worth, although sizable concentrations (double the national percentage) can be found in some urban neighborhoods, such as Albany Park in Chicago and Olney in Philadelphia. Additionally, similar Asian populations are found in suburbs of these cities such as Naperville and Evanston near Chicago; Millbourne, King of Prussia, and Cherry Hill near Philadelphia; Lowell and Lexington near Boston and Las Vegas. This pattern reflects their later arrival and response to changing economic conditions in some cities.

    According to the 2005 Current Population Survey Annual Social and Economic Supplement, Asian American households had the highest median income at $57,518.[20] However 11.8 percent of Asians were in poverty in 2003, higher than the 8.2 percent rate for non-Hispanic whites, and much higher for some southeast Asian ethnic groups.[21] Much of this poverty is concentrated in ethnic enclaves such as Chinatowns in the cities[22] Census figures also show that a white male with a college diploma earns in excess of $66,000 a year, far more than similarly educated Asian men who earned more than $52,000 a year. [23]

    [edit] Immigration trends

    Immigration trends of recent decades have dramatically altered the statistical composition and popular understanding of who is an Asian American. This transformation of Asian America, and of America itself, is the result of legislation such as the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952 and the Immigration and Nationality Act Amendments of 1965. The McCarran-Walter Act repealed the remnants of “free white persons” restriction of the Naturalization Act of 1790, but it retained the quota system that effectively banned nearly all immigration from Asia (for example, its annual quota of Chinese was only fifty). Asian immigration increased significantly after the 1965 Immigration Act altered the quota system. The preference for relatives, initially designed to reduce the number of Asian immigrants, eventually acted to accelerate their numbers.

    Historically, before 1965, Asian Americans were chiefly perceived as members of the two most numerous Asian ethnic groups, specifically Chinese and Japanese. Filipinos were increasingly numerous in the US, having become colonial subjects in 1898 due to the Spanish-American War (also see Philippine-American War).

    After the enactment of the 1965 Immigration Act, Asian American demographics changed rapidly. This act replaced exclusionary immigration rules of the Chinese Exclusion Act and its successors, such as the 1924 Immigration Act, which effectively excluded “undesirable” immigrants, including Asians. The 1965 rules set across-the-board immigration quotas for each country. It opened US borders to immigration from Asia for the first time in nearly half a century.

    Immigration of Asian Americans were also affected by U.S. war involvement from the 1940s to the 1970s. In the wake of World War II, immigration preferences favored family reunification. This may have helped attract highly skilled workers to meet American workforce deficiencies. Another instance related to World War II was the Luce-Celler Act of 1946, which helped immigrants from India and the Philippines.

    The end of the Korean War and Vietnam War and the so-called “Secret Wars” in Southeast Asia brought a new wave of Asian American immigration, as people from Korea, Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia arrived. Some of the new immigrants were war brides, who were soon joined by their families. Others, like the Southeast Asians, were either highly skilled and educated, or part of subsequent waves of refugees seeking asylum. Some factors contributing to the growth of sub-groups such as South Asians and mainland Chinese were higher family sizes, higher use of family-reunification visas, and higher numbers of technically skilled workers entering on H-1 and H-1b visas.

    The contrasts between Japanese Americans and South Asian Americans are emblematic of the dramatic changes since the immigration reforms of the mid-20th century. Japanese Americans are among the most widely recognized of Asian American sub-groups. In 1970, there were nearly 600,000 Japanese Americans, making it the largest sub-group, but historically the greatest period of immigration was generations past. Today, given relatively low rates of births and immigration, Japanese Americans are only the sixth-largest Asian American group. In 2000, there were between 800,000 and 1.2 million Japanese Americans (depending on whether multi-ethnic responses are included). The Japanese Americans have the highest rates of native-born, citizenship, and assimilation into American values and customs.

    In 1990, there were slightly fewer South Asians in the U.S. than Japanese Americans. By 2000, Indian Americans nearly doubled in population to become the third largest group of Asian Americans, with increasing visibility in high-tech communities such as the Silicon Valley and the Seattle area. Indian Americans have some of the highest rates of academic achievement among American ethnic groups. Most immigrants speak English and are highly educated. South Asians are increasingly accepted by most Asian organizations as another significant Asian group. Currently, Indians, Chinese, and Filipinos are the largest Asian ethnic groups immigrating to the United States.

    Some assert that high rates of immigration from some parts of Asia -especially those countries with poor economic bases- will make Asian Americans increasingly representative of some portion of the continent itself.

  • AA // August 15, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Notable contributions

    Main article: List of Asian Americans

    [edit] Government
    Bobby Jindal, Governor of Louisiana
    Bobby Jindal, Governor of Louisiana

    With a majority Asian-Pacific American population for most of its history, Hawaii has a long history of Asian political participation at all levels of government, and its Congressional delegation has been held by Asian Americans for most of its history. However, the first Asian American elected to the United States House of Representatives was Dalip Singh Saund, an Indian American from Imperial County, California. Saund served as chair of the local Democratic party and Justice of the Peace before winning the House election in 1956. Similarly, Bobby Jindal served in various executive positions in Louisiana and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services before being elected to the Congress in 2004, and finally winning the Louisiana gubernatorial elections in 2007 (thereby becoming the first non-white governor of Louisiana since Reconstruction), the first elected Indian American governor in U.S. history, as well as the second Asian American governor to serve in the continental United States after Gary Locke of Washington. In 1976, the academic S.I. Hayakawa was elected to the Senate from California. Mainland U.S. politicians such as Mike Honda began their political careers in local offices and developed organizations that eventually supported their election to Congress, while Norman Mineta went on to become Secretary of Transportation between 2001 and 2006. Elaine Chao was selected as a White House Fellow, and then served in a series of appointed posts prior to becoming the Secretary of Labor. In 1996 Gary Locke was elected governor of the state of Washington, becoming the first Chinese American to be elected governor in the United States. Rachel Paulose was a counselor in the Office of Legal Policy of the United States Department of Justice. She is the former U.S. Attorney for the District of Minnesota. She was the first Indian American woman, the youngest attorney, and the first woman in Minnesota to hold this post. Robert C. Scott, the congressman from Virginia’s 3rd District, has Filipino ancestry.

    [edit] Military
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    Number of Asian Americans have served in high positions in the United States military such as Eric Shinseki and there was a regiment made up of Asian Americans that served in World War II.

    [edit] Business
    Co-founder of Yahoo! Jerry Yang
    Co-founder of Yahoo! Jerry Yang

    When Asians were largely excluded from labor markets in the 19th century, they started their own businesses. Some started laundries, which are now rare. Others started Chinese restaurants, which still can be found across the USA. Since the mid-20th century, Asians have expanded their involvement across the American economy.

    Compared to their population base, Asian Americans today are well represented in the professional sector and tend to earn higher wages, especially in technology and business.[24] However, much has been written about the glass ceiling in regards to Asians, for they have been far less represented in higher levels of management compared with other ethnic groups[citation needed].

    Some Asian Americans have made major contributions to the American economy. An Wang founded Wang Laboratories in June 1951. Amar Bose founded the Bose Corporation in 1964. Jen-Hsun Huang co-founded the NVIDIA corporation in 1993. Jerry Yang co-founded Yahoo! Inc. in 1994. Andrea Jung serves as Chairman and CEO of Avon Products. Vinod Khosla was a founding CEO of Sun Microsystems and is a general partner of the prominent venture capital firm Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers. Sabeer Bhatia co-founded Hotmail, which was acquired by Microsoft. Steve Chen and Jawed Karim were co-creators of YouTube, and were beneficiaries of Google’s $1.65 billion acquisition of that company in 2006. Asian Americans made considerable contributions in technology such as software and semiconductors in the United States, particularly in the West Coast like Silicon Valley, San Francisco, etc. where most of the IT companies are based.

    [edit] Sports

    See also: Category:Asian American sportspeople

    Figure skater Michelle Kwan
    Figure skater Michelle Kwan

    Wataru Misaka broke the NBA color barrier when he played for the New York Knicks in the 1947–48 season.

    Asian Americans first made an impact in Olympic sports in the late 1940s and in the 1950s. Sammy Lee became the first Asian American to earn an Olympic Gold Medal, winning in platform diving in both 1948 and 1952. Amy Chow was a member of the gold medal women’s gymnastics team at the 1996 Olympics; she also won an individual silver medal on the uneven bars. Gymnast Mohini Bhardwaj won a team silver medal in the 2004 Olympics.

    Since Tiffany Chin won the women’s US Figure Skating Championship in 1985, Asian Americans have been prominent in that sport. Kristi Yamaguchi won three national championships, two world titles, and the 1992 Olympic Gold medal. Michelle Kwan has won nine national championships and five world titles, as well as two Olympic medals (silver in 1998, bronze in 2002).

    In football, Asian Americans’ contributions are also gaining notice. Norm Chow is offensive coordinator for an NFL team, after 23 years coaching college teams, including four successful years as offensive coordinator at USC. Dat Nguyen was an NFL middle linebacker who was an all-pro selection in 2003. In 1998, he was named an All-American and won the Bednarik Award as well as the Lombardi Award, while playing for Texas A&M. Hines Ward is an NFL wide receiver who was the MVP of Super Bowl XL. Michael Chang was a top-ranked tennis player for most of his career. He won the French Open in 1989.

    Erik Spoelstra is a Filipino-Dutch-Irish who became the youngest coach ever in NBA history. He is currently the head coach of Miami Heat.[25]

  • AA // August 15, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Arts and entertainment

    Main article: Asian Americans in arts and entertainment

    James Iha former guitarist of the Smashing Pumpkins
    James Iha former guitarist of the Smashing Pumpkins

    Asian Americans have been involved in the entertainment industry since the first half of the 19th century, when Chang and Eng Bunker (the original “Siamese Twins”) became naturalized citizens. Acting roles in television, cinema, and theater have been relatively few, and many available roles are for narrow, stereotypical characters. Early Asian American actors such as Sessue Hayakawa, Anna May Wong, and Bruce Lee encountered a movie-making culture that wanted to typecast them. Lee abandoned Hollywood and achieved world-wide fame in Hong Kong. In 1965, a group of actors formed East West Players (EWP), to provide Asian American actors greater opportunity to perform in leading roles. Several other Asian American theater companies were formed in other cities, providing similar outlets there.

    George Takei and Pat Morita became well-known from supporting roles in Star Trek and Happy Days, two of the best-known series of the 1960s and 1970s. Miyoshi Umeki won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress in 1957 for Sayonara. Haing Ngor won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor in 1985 for The Killing Fields. Margaret Cho won the American Comedy Award for Best Female Comedian in 1994.

    Wah Chang was the designer for many of the props on the Star Trek series as well as The Time Machine, which received an Academy Award for special effects. Many Asian Americans have also penetrated in the fashion world with Monique Lhuillier’s dresses parading on the Hollywood red carpet and Chloe Dao winning Project Runway. Vera Wang and Anna Sui have been highly accomplished and rewarded fashion designers for years. Other designers include Phillip Lim, 2006 CFDA Emerging Talent Award Winner Doo-Ri Chung, and 2005 Winner Derek Lam.

    In literature, Asia American writers have received numerous awards. Maxine Hong Kingston won the National Book Critics Circle award in 1976 for her memoir Woman Warrior. Bharati Mukherjee won the National Book Critics Circle Award in 1988 for her short story collection The Middleman and Other Stories. Chang-Rae-Lee received the Hemingway Foundation/PEN Award for his novel Native Speaker(1995). He has since written “A Gesture Life” and “Aloft.” Amy Tan has received popular acclaim for her work. Jhumpa Lahiri won the 2000 Pulitzer Prize for Fiction for her short story collection The Interpreter of Maladies. Kiran Desai won the Man Booker Prize (2006) and National Book Critics Circle Award (2006) for her second novel The Inheritance of Loss. Her mother Anita Desai was nominated for major awards for her novels. Naomi Hirahara won a 2007 Edgar Award for her novel Snakeskin Shamisen.

    Jim Lee is considered to be one of the most popular comic book artists and is one of the founders of Image Comics. Adrian Tomine’s cartoons are featured in The New Yorker.

    Asian Americans have designed notable works of architecture, such as the Louvre Pyramid and East Wing of the National Gallery, designed by I. M. Pei, the World Trade Center, designed by Minoru Yamasaki, and the Vietnam Veterans Memorial and Civil Rights Memorial (1989) designed by Maya Lin. In commercial architecture, Gyo Obata, a founding partner of HOK, designed the National Air and Space Museum in Washington D.C. and the Taipei World Trade Center.

    [edit] Genres of music

    Cellist Yo-Yo Ma has performed internationally and made new recordings of world music, as in The Silk Road Project. The composer Bright Chang has received extensive recognition for his work, including being invited to be composer-in-residence at the New York City Ballet.

    In popular music, Amerie is a notable R&B singer. Tony Kanal is the bassist for the popular rock band No Doubt. James Iha is best-known as guitarist with The Smashing Pumpkins. Mike Shinoda and Joseph Hahn are members of the rap rock band Linkin Park. Kenny Choi is the lead singer and guitarist of the indie rock band Daphne Loves Derby, as well as his solo projects. In hip-hop, Apl.de.ap is a Filipino member of The Black Eyed Peas. A colorful video by rapper Jin spiraled him to fame in 2003. Asian American jazz is a musical movement in the United States begun in the 20th century by Asian American jazz musicians. Leehom Wang, a popular Taiwanese American singer, played a part in Ang Lee’s 2007 piece Lust, Caution.

    [edit] Theater

    Main article: Asian American theatre

    Flower Drum Song is based on the San Francisco nightclub Forbidden City. Rodgers and Hammerstein adapted it into a musical that was produced on Broadway in 1958 and on film in 1961. Largely remembered for the hit song “I Enjoy Being A Girl”, it would not be produced with an all-Asian cast until a 2002 Broadway revival.

    In 1988, Playwright David Henry Hwang’s Broadway hit M. Butterfly won a Tony Award for Best Play, among other awards.

    [edit] Movie
    Lucy Liu of Ally McBeal and Charlie’s Angels movie series
    Lucy Liu of Ally McBeal and Charlie’s Angels movie series

    M. Night Shyamalan is an Indian-American director. He has directed a number of movies, including Signs, The Village, Unbreakable, and the Academy Award-nominated The Sixth Sense. Lucy Liu was one of the lead actresses in the popular Charlie’s Angels movie series.

    In addition, Ang Lee is the world-renown director of the critically acclaimed Brokeback Mountain, Eat Drink Man Woman, Sense and Sensibility, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. The Incredible Hulk was one of his early films, which became successful at the box office. “Lust, Caution” is a film he produced independently and released in February of 2008. The film (NC-17) received great critical approval.

    Major films have been based on Asian American novels, such as Jhumpa Lahiri’s The Namesake (2007) and Amy Tan’s The Joy Luck Club and a Japanese turned Korean movie “Oldboy”. Others have been created on stories about Asian American communities.

    [edit] Television

    Margaret Cho, stand-up comedian and actress, had a leading role in her own TV comedy series All American Girl in the 1990′s, reputably the first Asian-American themed sitcom. Her character was a Korean-American (as Cho is), who struggled with her family and cultural issues in San Francisco. The show included other Asian-American actors such as Amy Hill, who starred in TV and movie roles throughout her life. Hill played Cho’s grandmother. Despite being a breakthrough in prime-time television, All American Girl show was cancelled in two seasons due to low ratings.

    The late Thuy Trang is probably a familiar face to many children and young adults for her role as Trini Kwan, the original yellow ranger, in the hit youth television show Mighty Morphin Power Rangers.

    Lucy Liu had a big part in the Ally McBeal TV show from 1998 to 2002 before going on to lead roles in feature films. Daniel Dae Kim and Sendhil Ramamurthy have achieved some recognition as sex symbols from their respective roles on Lost and Heroes; B. D. Wong currently stars on Law & Order: SVU after being featured in the critically acclaimed series Oz.

    Brenda Song is a Thai-Hmong American actress. Known to younger audiences for starring in several Disney Channel productions including The Suite Life Of Zack and Cody, Wendy Wu: Homecoming Warrior 1 and 2, Stuck in the Suburbs and most recently The Suite Life on Deck.

    Leyna Nguyen a news anchor, is also heavily portrayed in news anchor roles in major television shows and movies. Some examples include Boston Legal, Without a Trace, Las Vegas, Two and a Half Men and Austin Powers in Goldmember.[26]

    Parminder Nagra is one of the lead actresses in the medical drama TV series ER; preceded on the series by Ming-Na.

    Tila Tequila is the star of the MTV show A Shot at Love with Tila Tequila

    Kal Penn is one of the lead actors in medical drama House. He is one Dr. House’s four fellows.

    Recently the hit U.S. TV series Survivor created teams along racial lines during Survivor: Cook Islands. People of East and South East Asian ancestry composed the Asian tribe.[27]

    [edit] Science and technology
    Stephen Chu, Nobel laureate in physics
    Stephen Chu, Nobel laureate in physics

    Asian Americans have made notable contributions to science and technology. Chien-Shiung Wu was known to many scientists as the “First Lady of Physics”. Tsung-Dao Lee and Chen Ning Yang received the 1957 Nobel Prize in Physics for their work in particle physics. Har Gobind Khorana shared the 1968 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for his work in genetics and protein synthesis. Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar shared the 1983 Nobel Prize in Physics and had the Chandra X-ray Observatory named after him. In 1984, Dr. David D. Ho first reported the “healthy carrier state” of HIV infection, which identified HIV-positive individuals who showed no physical signs of AIDS. Steven Chu shared the 1997 Nobel Prize in Physics for his research in cooling and trapping atoms using laser light. Daniel Tsui shared the 1998 Nobel Prize in Physics in 1998 for helping discover the fractional Quantum Hall effect. Tsien Hsue-shen co-founded the Jet Propulsion Laboratory

    [edit] Journalism

    Connie Chung was one of the first Asian-American national correspondents for a major TV news network, reporting for CBS in 1971. She later co-anchored the CBS Evening News from 1993 to 1995. At ABC, Ken Kashiwahara began reporting nationally in 1974. Ann Curry joined NBC News as a reporter in 1990, later becoming prominently associated with The Today Show in 1997. Carol Lin is perhaps best known for being the first to break the news of 9-11 on CNN. Recently, Juju Chang, James Hatori, John Yang, Veronica De La Cruz, Betty Nguyen, and Julie Chen have become familiar faces on television news.

  • AA // August 15, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Cultural influence

    [edit] Health and Medicine

    Traditional Asian concepts and practices in health and medicine have attracted greater acceptance and are more widely adopted by American doctors. For instance, in the early 1970s the US medical establishment did not believe in the usefulness of meditation or acupuncture. Since then US studies have proven the efficacy of acupuncture for different applications, especially for treatment of chronic pain. It is now covered by many health insurance plans.

    Meditation and mindfulness practices are taught in mainstream medical schools and hospitals. Increasingly they are seen as part of a holistic approach to health. Doctors and hospitals treating diseases such as heart disease and cancer have adopted meditation as a practice recommended for patients.

    Meditation, yoga and other mindfulness practices have also been widely adopted by health spas, and spiritual retreats of many religious bases. They are part of the spiritual practice of the many Americans who are not affiliated with a mainline religious group.

    [edit] Religious Trends

    Some scholars see a movement of religions, as Buddhism has moved into American culture, and Christianity has been adopted by more East Asians. Many South Koreans, especially, are already Christian when they immigrate to the US.

    Beats on the West Coast were among those attracted to Buddhism in the 1950s. American Buddhist groups established then and in the 1970s have built temples, ordained numerous American Buddhist monks, and taught generations of new practitioners. Buddhist concepts and practices such as mindfulness have penetrated mainstream culture.

    While much West Coast practice was first influenced by Japanese Zen Buddhists, more recent generations throughout the country have been influenced also by Vietnamese and Tibetan Buddhist monks who have lived and taught in the West.

    There has also been strong influence by American adoption of yoga and related spiritual practices of India, as well as vegetarianism.

    [edit] Education

    Asian Americans have the highest educational qualifications of all ethnic groups in the United States. According to the US Census Bureau, while the high school graduation rate for Asian Americans is on par with those of other ethnic groups, 48% of Asian Americans have attained at least a bachelor’s degree as compared with the national average of 27%, and 29% for non-Hispanic Whites. The numbers are even more staggering when considering Indian Americans alone – almost 68% have attained at least a bachelor’s degree.

    [edit] Cultural issues

    Main article: Stereotypes of East and Southeast Asians
    Main article: Stereotypes of South Asians

    Until the late 20th century, the term “Asian American” was adopted mostly by activists, while the average person of Asian ancestries identified with his specific ethnicity.[28] The murder of Vincent Chin in 1982 was a pivotal civil rights case, and it marked the emergence of Asian Americans as a distinct group in United States.[29][28]

    Study has indicated that most non-Asian Americans do not generally differentiate between Asian Americans and Chinese Americans. Stereotypes of both groups are nearly identical.[30] A 2002 survey of Americans’ attitudes toward Asian Americans and Chinese Americans indicated that 24% of the respondents disapprove of intermarriage with an Asian American, second only to African Americans; 23% would be uncomfortable supporting an Asian-American presidential candidate, compared to 15% for an African American, 14% for a woman and 11% for a Jew; 17% would be upset if a substantial number of Asian Americans moved into their neighborhood; 68% had somewhat or very negative attitude toward Chinese Americans in general.[31] The study did find several positive perceptions of Chinese Americans: strong family values (91%); honesty as business people (77%); high value on education (67%).[30]

    There is a widespread perception that Asian Americans are not “American” but are instead “perpetual foreigners”.[31][32] Asian Americans often report being asked the question, “Where are you really from?” by other Americans, regardless of how long they or their ancestors have lived in United States. Many are asked if they are Chinese or Japanese, an assumption based on major groups of past immigrants.[32][33]

    [edit] Model minority

    Main article: Model minority

    Some refer to Asian Americans as a model minority because the Asian American culture contains a high work ethic, respect for elders, high degree of professional and academic success, high valuation of family, education and religion. Statistics such as high household income and low incarceration rate[34], low rates of many diseases and higher than average life expectancy[35] are also discussed as positive aspects of Asian Americans.

    This concept appears to elevate Asian Americans by portraying them as an elite group of successful, highly educated, highly intelligent, and wealthy individuals, but it can also be considered an overly narrow and overly one-dimensional portrayal of Asian Americans, leaving out other human qualities such as vocal leadership, negative emotions, risk taking, ability to learn from mistakes, and desire for creative expression. Furthermore, Asian Americans who do not fit into the model minority mold can face challenges when people’s expectations based on the model minority myth do not match with reality. Traits outside of the model minority mold can be seen as negative character flaws for Asian Americans despite those very same traits being positive for the general American majority (e.g., risk taking, confidence, empowered). For this reason, some believe Asian Americans encounter a “bamboo ceiling,” the Asian American equivalent of the glass ceiling in the workplace.

    The model minority concept can also affect Asians’ public education. By comparison with other minorities, Asians often achieve higher test scores and grades compared to other Americans.[36] Stereotyping Asian American as over-achievers can lead to harm if school officials or peers expect all to perform higher than average.[37]

    Furthermore, the model minority concept can even be emotionally damaging to Asian Americans, particularly since they are expected to live up to their peers who are part of the model minority. Studies have shown that Asian Americans suffer from higher rates of stress, depression, mental illnesses, and suicide attempts in comparison to other races. [38] The pressures to achieve and live up to the model minority image have taken a mental and psychological toll on Asian Americans. [39]

    [edit] Politics

    Asian Americans are politically diverse, and tend to vary by ethnicity. Chinese Americans, Indian Americans, Cambodian Americans, and Hmong Americans tend to be more liberal and vote for the Democratic Party. Filipino Americans tend to be socially conservative and vote reliably Republican. Vietnamese Americans also tend to vote overwhelmingly Republican due to the Republican Party’s strong anti-communist stance and the arrival of Vietnamese immigrants during the Regan administration. Japanese Americans and Korean Americans are nearly evenly split between the two parties with Japanese Americans leaning slightly Democrat and Korean Americans leaning slightly Republican. [5] Younger Asian Americans of all ethnicities tend to vote for the Democratic Party.

    Overall, Asian Americans as a whole tend to vote for Democrats, but this trend has been fairly recent. In the 1992 presidential election Republican George H. W. Bush received 55% of the Asian compared to 31% for Democrat Bill Clinton. The Asian American vote has slowly shifted since then with Democrat John Kerry winning 56% of the Asian vote in the 2004 U.S. Presidential Election and the Democrats winning 62% of the Asian vote in the 2006 midterm election. [6] [7] The shift in the Asian vote can be contributed to demographic changes. In the early 1990s the vast majority of Asian Americans were largely anti-communists refugees such as Vietnamese Americans, Chinese Americans, and socially conservative Filipino Americans. Since then, more well educated socially liberal Asian groups such as newer Chinese and Indian immigrants have changed the Asian American demographics, as well as a larger proportion of younger Asian Americans.

  • AA // August 15, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    See also
    Wikimedia Commons has media related to:
    Asian Americans

    * Asian Argentinian
    * Asian Australian
    * Asian Brazilian
    * Asian Latino
    * Asian Canadian
    * Chinese for Affirmative Action
    * Got Rice?
    * Hapa
    * Hyphenated American
    * Jade Ribbon Campaign
    * Nationalism
    * Racial Nationalism
    * South Asian British, East Asian British, West Asian British
    * Stereotypes of Asians
    * United States foreign born per capita income
    * Asian Europeans

  • AA // August 15, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Further reading

    Books

    * Helen Zia Asian American Dreams: The Emergence of an American People New York: Farrar, Strauss and Giroux, 2000. ISBN 0-374-52736-9.
    * Sucheng Chan Asian Americans : an interpretive history Boston : Twayne, c1991. ISBN 978-0805784374
    * Gabriel J. Chin, Ed., U.S. Commission on Civil Rights: Reports on Asian Pacific Americans (2005) ISBN 978-0837731056
    * Pyong Gap Min Asian Americans: Contemporary Trends and Issues Thousand Oaks, Ca.: Pine Science Press, 2005. ISBN 1-4129-0556-7
    * Frank H. Wu Yellow: Race in American Beyond Black and White New York: Basic Books, 2002. ISBN 0-465-00639-6
    * Ronald Takaki Strangers from a Different Shore: A History of Asian Americans New York: Little, Brown, 1998. ISBN 0-316-83130-1
    * Lisa Lowe Immigrant Acts: On Asian American Cultural Politics Durham: Duke University Press, 1996. ISBN 978-0822318644

    Journal

    * Journal of Asian American Studies
    * Kartika Review

    [edit] External links

    * 2007 Statistical Abstract of the United States — Population tables
    * UCLA Asian American Studies Center
    * Asian-Nation Asian American History, Culture, Statistics, & Issues
    * Asians in America – National organizations directory, job posts and news

  • El Cid Campeador // August 15, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    AMEN

  • THE LAST TIME // August 15, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    Something interesting about the Asian Americans.

    A little shorter about the Anglo-Saxons
    Anglo-Saxons: world first class terrorists, actual most dominant world mafia, which leader attend to the initials G.W.B. and located in areas called U.K. and U.S.A. Great display of multimedia supporting their miserable, sick and nobody believes or listen propaganda.
    Strategy: invade illegally entire countries, killing their leaders to steal the country resources for their own benefit. See Iraq and the oil spoiled from the country. Other cases Chile (Salvador Allende), Panama (Noriega) not killed, this was lucky and was only removed. Or protagonists of the greatest holocaust all times: the killing of the native Indians in the territories where they actually live, which populations have been reduced in no longer than 100 years to the extermination. Among perpetration of other large massive terrorists acts, as the indiscriminate bombing against civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Largest criminal and terrorist act in human history.

    And the fucking photo is not racist!

  • Karim // August 15, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    Yes, in Spain we are racist, we call black people like monkeys, all of us, and dress our prince with nazi clothes also, and nobody has told us anything for this mistakes. Thank you, moral policemen of the world for open our eyes and bring us back to light, withe light, of higher and clever people who do things right when going in holidays for having sun during the day and beer during the night, and after go back home to tell them racist for trying to act like they’re chinese. Thank you all, we are now awake.

  • Gibraltar Español // August 15, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    Aupa the last time! And not to forget the hidden misappropriations throughout history. Those events they put nice names to, like “The treaty of Utrech”, “The mexican-american war” isntead of the biggest land robbery in the history of humankind, “When the west was won”, “The Adams-Onis treaty” by which Florida was “purchased”, and the “Spanish-American war” after NY newspapers decided they had to attack us even though the Maine exploded internally…And they don’t stop there. There they have those XXI pirates extracting our wrecked ships and disturbing our seamen who rest in peace…Is that respect?

  • Juan Pablo87 // August 15, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Shame on both of you LUCAS AND GET A LIFE WHO SHOULD GET A FRIGGIN LIFE! Vaya par de racistas de verdad. Sois demasiados racistas y gente como vosotros no sois buena gente ni buen ejemplos para nuestro pais. Tengo verguenza de verdad. Sois la caca de la parte que ni siquiera existe en Espana!!!!! GET A life IS RACIST THE BIGGEST RACIST ON THIS WEB GET RID!!!!!!! RACIST EVERYONE LOOK THE BIGGEST RACIST GET A LIFE!!!!!!

  • Leo // August 15, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    GET A LIFE> BIG THUG RACIST
    GET A LIFE>FUCKED UP TWAT
    GET A LIFE>SHUT THE FUCK UP
    GET A LIFE> DO ONE

  • Mar // August 15, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    I found the photo distasteful indeed but the negative comments on this site are far worse and racist than the picture alone. Everyone has their own opinion and entitled to it, but for all the insults and jibes on here there really is no need for it.

  • Rewind // August 15, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRVBIhSYa-E

    Racism? If you call racism the spanish team photo. In this commercial all the three dumb seeds are foreing.

  • christa // August 15, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    Why are you GET A LIFE calling me names in Spanish???? You are soooooo rude and xenophobic, a horrible person and probably got no mates you sad GIT! Don’t you dare call me a BASTARD in SPANISH. How dare you swear at a female that way? You have no manners, you are obviously not a man and prob have a prick the size of a cell!!!Anyone reading this check out what GET A LIFE HAS SAID IT’S VERY VERY RACIST INDEED.

  • A clown // August 15, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    Hi christa you called someone clown as an insult. I demand an excuse.

  • mar // August 15, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    There is racism everywhere it will never go away ever, it is present in every nation so let’s not just pigeonhole the same countries and have a dig at them cos that ain’t gonna solve anything. Education and kindness goes a long long way.

  • christa // August 16, 2008 at 12:07 am

    To A clown I did not insult anyone on this site. Pau Gasol admitted himself that they were mucking about that day whilst filming the ad. A few of them felt uncomfy doing the ad, in fact he used the phrase clowning around. I think ppl are taking the piss and racism to the extreme on THIS site. After reading alot of the comments on here how can anyone take ppl seriously?

  • kanijo Perez // August 16, 2008 at 12:47 am

    the whole world is ruled by ignorancy and stupidity. What a pain of a human race!

  • tessa // August 16, 2008 at 1:31 am

    Of course racism exists everywhere but that still doesn’t change the fact that this stupid gesture was in extremely poor taste & offensive. Spain deserves all the scorn it is now receiving. I’m not Asian but even I was shocked. I have a niece and nephew that are half Asian and I would go off on anyone who said anything remotely racist to them. I was supposed to be going to Spain on vacation but I am seriously reconsidering. I’m of Portuguese descent so I might be confused as a gypsy or Moroccan or Latin American. Some of the posters have described terrible treatment by Spaniards. Is this what I can expect?

  • Gibraltar Español // August 16, 2008 at 2:21 am

    Tessa, if I were you I would continue with your plans to visit my country. That will be the only way you could truly judge us, not by a forum where some of us just respond to stupid accusations. Don’t be afraid about what you look like. Although racial-related crime rate is Spain has recently increased, statistics show that it is still about one third of that in the US(That’s even including ETA terrorism). What I see in this forum is a lot of victimism though. It seems like people don’t take into the account the intentionality of the offense. I am pretty sure the gesture was not bad intentioned, or even intended as a joke. What I am 100% certain is that this episode is a joke compared to what these two spanish eyes have seen for the last 14 years and continue to see in terms of discrimination and racism in the US. There are many subworlds in each country. Take a look at the different statistics, like inmate population by race for instance, or high school dropout rates, or salary ranges, and you will realize that the US has by far the largest deviation from the average for certain ethnic groups. There is something really wrong in here, and something that has to be addressed at home before looking at our neighbor’s faults. And I am sorry to keep relativizing, but yes, everything is relative in this world, and maybe two wrongs don’t make a right but surely three wrongs are worse than one. Worse is worse than bad and the worst is worse than worse. The ones who have been offended the most are us, who have been called racist just for having been misinterpreted, even after we apologyzed.
    I really hope you have a nice trip wherever you decide to go. You won’t regret it either way, two months from now it will be something else that will make our blood boil and for better or worse (for better I thing) this stupidity will be forgotten. I won’t be writting anymore in this divisive forum. There are better things we an do with our lives.
    You all have a good life

  • kanijo Perez // August 16, 2008 at 2:45 am

    Por cierto, ¿ que clase de periodico es éste ?,

    Con que mala baba se expresan sus periodistas.

    A ver si nos hacen un favor y fichan a Jimenez Losantos, las dos partes saldremos ganando

  • Mario // August 16, 2008 at 3:22 am

    Whats all the bickering about? Its really not that big of a deal. Its a stupid photo of some stupid basketball team ignorant enough to do a stupid thing! When the president or someone IMPORTANT does something like that then we should care but until then everyone needs to relax. Who cares that a bunch of overgrown uneducated Spaniards took a borderline racist photo anyways.

  • FPizarro // August 16, 2008 at 9:52 am

    Well, it is usual, when you have been the most racist country in the world (England and USA), to see ghosts everywhere….
    VIVA ESPAÑA

  • FPizarro // August 16, 2008 at 10:04 am

    This is the biggest nosense i have ever heard in my life.
    I feel sorry for some people from other countries that say that Spain is racist, because they are so stupid and motherf.cks..Their level of brain is 0, and now i understand why we, spanish, are the best country and the best in sports…because with people like some of you it is nor difficult…jajajajajajaa
    Oh my god…what a bunch of ignorants…

  • FPizarro // August 16, 2008 at 10:10 am

    Mario: shut up, idiot, and show more respect to the World Champion basketball team…

  • FPizarro // August 16, 2008 at 10:14 am

    TESSA, I dont know you but I can say that it seem that you are like a 12 year old girl…
    Are in your country, whatever it is, as ignorant as you??…Go to see a doctor because you look sick…
    With people like you, i understand why some americans think that you can reach Spain by car from USA…What an ignorant country, my God!!!

  • Aztec // August 16, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    FPizarro,

    Stop pretending you’re Spanish. It’s clear you’re Mexican.

  • yo // August 16, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    Spain is not perfect. Of course…

    But UK and USA are the ones that should shut up about racism, racists, slavery etc, etc… You have racist people, you have racism, you think you are over the rest of the planet. You always try to control the policy of the rest of the countries. USA abolished slavery much after Spain or other European countries… Who bought slaves? Who has made a genocide with native americans? The real northamericans are they…You know that kind of things, just think… Don’t be hypocrite. I would accept any criticism about any country of the world for that picture. But not for UK or USA. Sorry. Try with another subject… Anyway, I know that the people who are discussing this issue are not representative of the USA or UK. I know…

    And please, look this link… You don’t need to understand Spanish ( you have enough with your English, don’t you?)Maybe you could remind what the USA basketball team did in Japanese Championship…

    http://jjoo.marca.com/2008/2008/08/14/baloncesto/1218698005.html

  • bellagirl // August 16, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    the picture was offensive to alot of asians as well as non-asians. maybe they did not mean it in a derogatory way, but, given spain’s history of racism, it probably was. it is obvious to anyone with any intelligence, that, whoever came up with the idea to do that in the picture is of such low intelligence as well as common sense, they should be taken out back and beat!
    could it be that spain feels somewhat inferior to other races? so they have to “make fun” or call names? it is obvious that they are inferior to most other cultures because they haven’t shit in anything!!!!!

  • ed // August 16, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    yo

    did you forget that when spain had control of south america almost all of the aztecs and mayan Civilations were destroyed by the spanish and dose not matter who abolished slavery first because they were all involved in the slave trade. Every euorpean country includeing spain that has a colony has displaced the people the were there first. Racism is every where but atleast in the US it is something that can be talked about openly we don’t just pretend like it dose not exist and blamed the rest of the world for being to senstive.

  • Get a Life // August 16, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    Hey ed.. dose.. don’t you mean does!

  • Chinese Exclusion Act (USA) // August 16, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    Chinese Exclusion Act (United States)
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    This article is about the former U.S. law. For the similar Canadian law, see Chinese Immigration Act of 1923.
    The first page of the Chinese Exclusion Act.
    The first page of the Chinese Exclusion Act.

    The Chinese Exclusion Act was a United States federal law passed on May 6, 1882, following revisions made in 1880 to the Burlingame Treaty of 1868. Those revisions allowed the U.S. to suspend immigration, and Congress subsequently acted quickly to implement the suspension of Chinese immigration, a ban that lasted well over 60 years.
    Contents
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    * 1 Background
    * 2 The Act
    * 3 Effects and aftermath
    * 4 Repeal and current status
    * 5 References
    o 5.1 Other References
    * 6 See also
    o 6.1 Anti-Chinese sentiment in the United States
    o 6.2 Similar racially restrictive immigration policies in other countries
    * 7 External links

    [edit] Background
    Chinese immigrant workers building the Transcontinental Railroad.
    Chinese immigrant workers building the Transcontinental Railroad.

    Main article: Chinese immigration to the United States

    The Chinese came to America in large numbers during the 1849 California Gold Rush and in the 1860s when the Central Pacific Railroad recruited large labor gangs to build its portion of the Transcontinental Railroad. Large-scale immigration continued into the late 1800s, with 123,201 Chinese recorded as arriving between 1871 and 1880, and 61,711 arriving between 1881 and 1890.

    At first, when surface gold was plentiful, the Chinese were well tolerated and well-received. As gold became scarcer and competition increased, animosity to the Chinese and other foreigners increased. After being forcibly driven from the mines, most Chinese settled in enclaves in cities, mainly San Francisco, and took up low end wage labor such as restaurant work and laundry. With the post Civil War economy in decline by the 1870s, anti-Chinese animosity became politicized by labor leader Dennis Kearney and his Workingman’s Party[1] as well as by Governor John Bigler, both of whom blamed Chinese “coolies” for depressed wage levels. Another significant anti-Chinese group organized in California during this same era was the Supreme Order of Caucasians with some 64 chapters statewide.

  • Get A Life // August 16, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    I’m really confused as to why I’m the biggest racist on here.. I said the same exact things as others.. you bunch of morons! Christa.. I can swear at you because I don’t consider you a woman.. plus a racist hates a whole race, I don’t hate a whole race I just hate ignorant people like you. More correct would be for you to call me prejudice, that’s what I am. Prejudice against your stupidity.

  • Chinese Exclusion Act (USA) // August 16, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    The Act
    The first page of a twenty one page interrogation transcript of Yee Bing Quai. He is interrogated by Inspector Charles E Golding with clerk Marion T Lovett recording and David Lee interpreting, June 15, 1938, in Boston, MA.
    The first page of a twenty one page interrogation transcript of Yee Bing Quai. He is interrogated by Inspector Charles E Golding with clerk Marion T Lovett recording and David Lee interpreting, June 15, 1938, in Boston, MA.

    The Chinese Exclusion Act was the first significant restriction on free immigration in U.S. history.[2] The Act excluded Chinese “skilled and unskilled laborers and Chinese employed in mining” from entering the country for ten years under penalty of imprisonment and deportation.[2][3] The few Chinese non-laborers who wished to immigrate had to obtain certification from the Chinese government that they were qualified to immigrate, which tended to be difficult to prove.[3]

    The Act also affected Chinese who were already in the United States. Any Chinese who left the United States had to obtain certifications for reentry, and the Act made Chinese immigrants permanent aliens by excluding them from U.S. citizenship.[3][2] After the Act’s passage, Chinese men in the U.S. had little chance of ever reuniting with their wives, or of starting families in their new home.[2]

    Amendments made in 1884 tightened the provisions that allowed previous immigrants to leave and return, and clarified that the law applied to ethnic Chinese regardless of their country of origin. The Act was renewed for ten years by the 1892 Geary Act, and again with no terminal date in 1902.[3] The Act’s 1902 extension also required “each Chinese resident to register and obtain a certificate of residence. Without a certificate, he or she faced deportation.”[3]

    One of the critics of the Chinese Exclusion Act was the anti-slavery/anti-imperialist Republican Senator George Frisbie Hoar of Massachusetts who described the Act as “nothing less than the legalization of racial discrimination.”[4]

    The laws were driven largely by racial concerns; immigration of persons of other races was unlimited during this period.[5]

    On the other hand, many people strongly supported the Chinese Exclusion Act, including the Knights of Labor[6], a labor union which called for improved conditions for workers, who supported it because it knew that industrialists were using Chinese workers as a wedge to keep wages low and conditions poor. Among labor and leftist organizations, the Industrial Workers of the World were the sole exception to this pattern. The IWW openly opposed the Chinese Exclusion Act from its inception in 1905.[7]

    [edit] Effects and aftermath
    Certificate of identity issued to Yee Wee Thing certifying that he is the son of a US citizen, issued Nov. 21, 1916. This was necessary for his immigration from China to the United States.
    Certificate of identity issued to Yee Wee Thing certifying that he is the son of a US citizen, issued Nov. 21, 1916. This was necessary for his immigration from China to the United States.

    For all practical purposes, the Exclusion Act, along with the restrictions that followed it, froze the Chinese community in place in 1882, and prevented it from growing and assimilating into U.S. society as European immigrant groups did.[2] However, limited immigration from China did still occur until the repeal of the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1943. From 1910 to 1940, the Angel Island Immigration Station on what is now Angel Island State Park in San Francisco Bay served as the processing center for most of the 56,113 Chinese immigrants who are recorded as immigrating or returning from China; upwards of 30% more who showed up were returned to China. Furthermore, after the 1906 San Francisco earthquake, which destroyed City Hall and the Hall of Records, many immigrants (known as “paper sons”) falsely claimed familial ties to resident Chinese-American citizens which could not be disproved.

    Later, the Immigration Act of 1924 would restrict immigration even further, excluding all classes of Chinese immigrants and extending restrictions to other Asian immigrant groups.[2] Until these restrictions were relaxed in the middle of the twentieth century, Chinese immigrants were forced to live a life apart, and to build a society in which they could survive on their own.[2]

  • Chinese Exclusion Act (USA) // August 16, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    See also

    * Chinese Exclusion
    * Chinese American
    * Chinese immigration to the United States
    * List of United States Immigration Acts
    * United States v. Wong Kim Ark, which held that the Chinese Exclusion Act could not overrule the citizenship of those born in the U.S. to Chinese parents

    [edit] Anti-Chinese sentiment in the United States

    * Chinese Massacre of 1871
    * Coolie
    * Dennis Kearney
    * Rock Springs Massacre
    * Sinophobia
    * Yellow peril

    [edit] Similar racially restrictive immigration policies in other countries

    * White Australia Policy
    * Chinese Immigration Act, 1923
    * New Zealand head tax

  • Enough // August 16, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    Racism in the United States has been a major issue since the colonial era. Historically, the country has been dominated by a settler society of religiously and ethnically diverse whites. Major racially structured institutions include slavery, settlement, Indians reservations, segregation, residential schools (for Native Americans), and internment camps. Racial stratification has occurred in employment, housing, education and government. Racial discrimination was largely criminalized in the mid-20th century, and it became socially unacceptable or morally repugnant as well, but major inequalities still persist and racial politics remain a major phenomena.
    The heaviest burdens of racism in the country have fallen upon Native Americans, Asian Americans, African Americans, Latin Americans and some other immigrant groups and their descendants. Racist attitudes, or prejudice, are still held by moderate portions of the U.S population. Members of every American ethnic group have perceived racism in their dealings with other groups.[1][2]

  • jon // August 16, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    Chinese people may be the most racist people on earth. My son is half Chinese and half black and I have heard some really horrible things said about him from his curly hair to his slanty eyes to his big nose. All those comments were from my Chinese side of the family. Chinese people are rude and ignorant as well. I know my son looks different but he is human and just a boy and does not need comments like that from anyone…especially family.

  • Edward // August 16, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    I’m half black and half mexican and I have been told by my girlfriend I have a small cock. Is 4 inches small?

  • Edward // August 16, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    It sucks because everyone expects blacks to have big ones. Stupid stereotypes is ruining my life. Do you have any idea how horrible it is to see the disappointment in my partners face? I blame my Mexican side!

  • Peter // August 16, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    I know what you mean Edward. I’m black and my penis is not small but not the biggest neither. I date alot of white girls and I get the feeling they too expect a big black one and seems disappointed when its just average size. I think that is one of the reasons white girls date black guys is for the big penis. White woman can be so freakin shallow.

  • Lucas // August 16, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    jon: the chinese relatives were mocking at his slanty eyes ???

  • yo // August 17, 2008 at 7:47 am

    Ed… USA was an European colony…

    And we know our dark past… Remember yours.

    bellagirl, Do you mean that still having colonies (that things are from centuries ago) in places far from your country is being better than another countries? Tsk, tsk, tsk…

  • yo // August 17, 2008 at 10:49 am

    Ehm… and, bellagirl, Spanish people aren’t a “race”. We are, mainly,white mediterranean, not an special one. Like Italian, Greek, even Morocco… You know, that “crap” who built the Western Culture…Read about the rest of the world before have an opinion. You will make better comments.

  • Party // August 17, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    I live in Spain and i can say spainsh people is very racist

  • jon // August 17, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Lucas: yes, and its not uncommon for chinese to make comments about another chinese’s small eyes. My mom has always compared my eyes to my siblings and has told me mines are small. I have a friend who’s nickname is “small eye Huong” and that name has stuck. Everyone calls him until he got married.

  • moishe // August 17, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    who cares what the UK says ?
    Ignorant inbreds, living on an isolated island which became insignificant, even obsolete since they lost their colonies. No one would miss you and your tin-pot nazi nation if you would sink deep into the Atlantic.

  • Cheryl // August 17, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    The fact that even after the photo sparked up all of this controversy, and the team has not apologized nor accepted any responsibility for offending anyone, just shows how truly ignorant they are. If you can honestly believe that it’s okay to make an overtly disrespectful gesture, directly against the people of the host country that you’re in, and not expect an uproar, then you’re truly an ignoramus. Perhaps they should pose with dunce caps instead, for the next photo op.

  • moishe // August 17, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    Like it when the PC commando asks for an apology.
    To who ? The hosts are not offended , they don’t even know what the gesture meant. ( Educate yourself in this matter.)
    Just becasue some left-wing cheese & whiners think it is offensive ?? This was a non issue worldwide with an exemption of some sick retarded countries.

  • xcar // August 17, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    at this point one thing is clear:

    Brittons used and continue to use the slit-eye gesture to offend Asian people.

    As it seems that offenders can not refrain from offending, an in order to not be confused with offenders or offend unintentionally, we have no other option than to learn the british catalogue of offenses to avoid them, even if they seem so infantile to us.

    So boring, but is clear in this thread that we can not expect from them a respectful behavior.

    My excuses for those of the Asian comunity who thought that the athletes did the gesture with the same intention as brittons do, but as said so many times in this thread they did as a symbol of emphaty with you. They can not be guilty for brittons offenses.

  • REMINDER // August 18, 2008 at 10:26 am

    A little shorter about the Anglo-Saxons
    Anglo-Saxons: world first class terrorists, actual most dominant world mafia, which leader attend to the initials G.W.B. and located in areas called U.K. and U.S.A. Great display of multimedia supporting their miserable, sick and nobody believes or listen propaganda.
    Strategy: invade illegally entire countries, killing their leaders to steal the country resources for their own benefit. See Iraq and the oil spoiled from the country. Other cases Chile (Salvador Allende), Panama (Noriega) not killed, this was lucky and was only removed. Or protagonists of the greatest holocaust all times: the killing of the native Indians in the territories where they actually live, which populations have been reduced in no longer than 100 years to the extermination. Among perpetration of other large massive terrorists acts, as the indiscriminate bombing against civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Largest criminal and terrorist act in human history.

  • JIMMY PAGE // August 18, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    spain = 3rd world , racism , ignorance .
    end of conversation. thank you and good night.

  • RATIONALIST INFO // August 18, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    The Spanish courier company ordering this ad has already sent 8 hundred thousand million urgent letters to all Chinese people and embassies explaining the case.

    The funny thing, is that the US & UK governments will pay all the courier bills after triggering such a disturbing conflict. “The accusations are just as clumsy as the photo itself”, declared a high commissioned from US-UK UN delegation.

    Meanwhile, the Guardian has announced to close the doors for a reflection period, firing all the incompetent journalists who created the conflict.

  • RATIONALIST INFO // August 18, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Correction!!!:
    There were only 1000 million letters sent after massive US-UK parliament senators suffering from heart attacks.

  • rarely offended Chinese // August 18, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    I’m rather taken aback by all the trading of stereotyping and racist comments, either in defensive or offensive mode. Call me hypersenstive or whatever, but I am a Chinese American who grew up in a predominently white town, now living in an extremely diverse area.
    Yes. I was slightly offended at the ad… I really just couldn’t believe that no one in ANY step of the process thought that there MIGHT be a SLIGHT chance of even a small subset of people being offended by this image. Like most of my asian-american friends have just naturally done for years, I just brushed it off as an interesting commentary on our times. I’ve always found that if I discovered something was offending large groups of people, I would try and steer clear of using such language or gestures. It really only takes offending one person to make it racist. No one can define what offends other people. Whether or not this was done out of a mean spirit isn’t really the point. The fact that it shocked an extremely large number of people around the world should inidicate, “hey… wait a minute… perhaps that’s not such a great idea…” To now know that if offends lots of people, for WHATEVER reason, and continue to use that language/gesture, shows a blatant ignorance for diversity. Even if this is not racist to you and your friends does not mean it is not to others. I find it hard to believe that people aren’t recognizing that more.

    I am not often a victim of racist remarks/gestures (just the occasional sexual proposition and asking if I speak english and need a greencard – to which I respond in my perfectly un-accented English “No thank you, I was born here and am college-educated and don’t need you.”), but just this weekend, was involved in an incident that had a woman pull her eyes into the “slit-eyed” face and mouth something like looked like “blah blah blah”. Having never experienced what that’s like first hand, me and my brother were absolutely shocked, since it was (1) completely undeserved, and (2) absolutely done with ill intention. I’ve never had such a racist action done to me, and I’d never have thought it hurt that much to see. Even as a person who hasn’t ever really been offended by racist remarks, I actually felt a cross between wanting to burst into tears and wanting to go out and slash her tires. In the end, I did neither … but it got me thinking about the impact of this gesture and how no one can know what that gesture means to people unless they’ve been on the receiving end of it. And yes, this happens alot. But that never makes it okay. The world is already a hard enough place without counting in the ignorance that we all have (to varying degrees).

  • Francisco // August 18, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    Rarely offended Chinese,
    Thanks for sharing your experience. I’m sad it did happen but I do think it helps to understand what makes a gesture or a word racist and how it really feels.

    Regards

  • greg // August 19, 2008 at 10:31 am

    el tel you are a moron.

    “Guey Lo” as you say, means “white ghost” not “round eyes”.

    You ignorant spastic. Go back to making paella.

  • Mar // August 19, 2008 at 10:50 am

    We should definitely condemn all expressions of racism, and we should also see the big picture.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5DMc2TfahA

  • special for you greg // August 19, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    Anglo-Saxons: world first class terrorists, actual most dominant world mafia, which leader attend to the initials G.W.B. and located in areas called U.K. and U.S.A. Great display of multimedia supporting their miserable, sick and nobody believes or listen propaganda.
    Strategy: invade illegally entire countries, killing their leaders to steal the country resources for their own benefit. See Iraq and the oil spoiled from the country. Other cases Chile (Salvador Allende), Panama (Noriega) not killed, this was lucky and was only removed. Or protagonists of the greatest holocaust all times: the killing of the native Indians in the territories where they actually live, which populations have been reduced in no longer than 100 years to the extermination. Among perpetration of other large massive terrorists acts, as the indiscriminate bombing against civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Largest criminal and terrorist act in human history.

  • Michelle // August 19, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    They need to be kicked out of China and banned from the Olympics!!!

  • Diego // August 20, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    I think the picture was inapropiate and even Some people could think it’s racism. I’m from Spain and I’d like to apologize for that but..what do you think about this picture… http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/405998/0/racismo/eeuu/espana/

    that’s not racism…

  • Jack // August 21, 2008 at 7:20 am

    1. If the Spanish think slanty eyes are a sign of inferiority. If not, then it is not racist. If the attitude is that slanty eyes are a sign of defect, then it is without doubt, racism.

    2. Would the Spanish (or Westerners in general) but offended if they were called “hairy chested”? Well if you think hairy-chestedness is a sign of a bodily defect, then yes it’s obviously racist.

    However, people often employ twisted logic to deny racism when there is. It’s always better to avoid offending someone then take the risk. Why risk offending people? That’s just uncivilized. It doesn’t cost anything to hold back.

    And don’t forget – they Spanish are guests in China.

  • Jack // August 21, 2008 at 7:22 am

    Oops forgot to add something.

    My previous post was predicated on the assumption that all Chinese have slanty eyes. In fact, that’s just rubbish.

  • Matz // August 21, 2008 at 7:38 am

    What world are you people living on? Under a rock on Mars? I suggest you don’t make comments unless you have *experienced racism*.

    When I was probably 5 years old in school, tons of other children would make the slanted eyes gesture at me, usually accompanied by malicious laughing and pointing. At least on 1 occasian it was accompanied by cordial being poured all over my hair.

    Almost all Asians living in Western countries will have experienced this childhood bullying. While bullying is not unique to racism, a connection is made from an early age that slanty eyes is a bad thing.

    Also, to many (but not all) Westerners, slanted eyes are synonymous with “ugly”. While not *all* Westerners see slanted eyes as being “ugly”, given the popular sentiment that it is, what sort of twisted person would think it’s not racism?

  • Francisco // August 21, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Hi Matz,
    I’ve already written extensively about this issue in this blog, including a couple of apology messages (as a Spaniard) and my view about why the photograph was taken in the first place.

    Thanks for sharing your experience. I’m sad these things still happen in this time.

    I only wanted to say that I do like slanted eyes a lot. I can’t see anything ugly about them.

    Cheers

  • Tad Nathaniel // August 23, 2008 at 3:48 am

    Time-slip, if you will, back to the 1950-1960’s. The boss (of course, male) walks into the office, and pats his female secretary’s rear end. He says, ”I like them round and plump.” Now, someone from the 21st century tells this boss that he has done and said an awful thing, and he is being downright sexist.
    His response: “I was giving my secretary a friendly greeting. It was just harmless fun. It is absurd for anyone to make a big thing of it. How could women possibly take offense at this? I’ll have you know that I am friends with many women!”
    Dear stupid Spaniards, don’t you think it’s about time you learned that it is offensive when the people to whom you direct your words and actions, think it’s offensive? The ones dishing it out (that’s YOU) have NO say in whether people should be offended or not.
    Join us. We have already moved into the 21st century. Hope you can catch up.

  • Slant-eyed Asian // August 23, 2008 at 3:49 am

    You’ve heard of the fearsome team from Spain:
    They persevered for Gold in vain.
    Poised with confidence, unrestrained,
    Their eyes betrayed the heart they feign.

    “Friendly and harmless, simple and plain.
    You read into it; it’s all in your brain.”
    Such words of comfort they hope have regained
    The misplaced trust ever more to attain.

    Good humor they claimed they wish to retain,
    But it all came under fire and rain.
    In centuries passed, their glory has waned,
    In clueless oblivion they choose to remain.

    Shell-struck people of Asian terrain
    Witness again the white man’s refrain.
    Branded “sub-human”, they once were detained
    In the confines of their master’s domain.

    So goes the story of the team from Spain:
    They persevere for support in vain.
    Poised with resolve, but now restrained,
    Their shame foreshadows all that they feign.

    I am your slant-eye, but this I maintain:
    My blood is as red as that in your vein.
    My insides are torn, my emotions drained,
    To hear you proclaim there’s no one in pain.

    …by Slant-eyed Asian…

  • annie // August 23, 2008 at 9:00 am

    When I first saw this picture my spirit cried, When you are invited to someones home be on your best behavior especially when the world is watching. Some people were hurt but not as much as Spains basketball team hurt its own country and how the world will view them now.

  • leavingspain // August 23, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    I am sat watching the olympics right now on spanish tv , the commentary is absolutely unbelievable !! racism absolute. comments about colour , race , history , everything , it is absolutely disgusting , i could never believ it if i didnt hear it myself. In spain it is impossible to believe we are in the year 2008 . What a horrible horrible country , how on earth can people be allowed on tv with these comments ??????? these disgusting arrogant racist ignorant animals should be out of the E.U immediately. leave them in the stone age where they belong.

  • Cheese! // August 23, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    “these disgusting arrogant racist ignorant animals should be out of the E.U immediately. leave them in the stone age where they belong”
    Farewell and I hope you never come back ( to europe, that is)

  • god // August 24, 2008 at 10:34 am

    spain got its ass wooped…period… USA spoke for everyone….suck on deez nuttz spain….the hot spain bitches can stick around….

  • Cheese! // August 24, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    tell yo momma to change you schools. Da one´z not working.
    grow up kiddo

  • JIMMY PAGE // August 25, 2008 at 9:17 am

    shit spanish racists , ignorant , arrogant ( why ???? ) , bunch of fucking assholes , how many medals in the olympics ?? hahaha

  • to jimjams page-boy // August 25, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Anglo-Saxons: world first class terrorists, actual most dominant world mafia, which leader attend to the initials G.W.B. and located in areas called U.K. and U.S.A. Great display of multimedia supporting their miserable, sick and nobody believes or listen propaganda.
    Strategy: invade illegally entire countries, killing their leaders to steal the country resources for their own benefit. See Iraq and the oil spoiled from the country. Other cases Chile (Salvador Allende), Panama (Noriega) not killed, this was lucky and was only removed. Or protagonists of the greatest holocaust all times: the killing of the native Indians in the territories where they actually live, which populations have been reduced in no longer than 100 years to the extermination. Among perpetration of other large massive terrorists acts, as the indiscriminate bombing against civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Largest criminal and terrorist act in human history.

    Thanks to the referee cheating again in the final.

  • an 2008 spaniard // August 26, 2008 at 5:08 am

    Let´s see…in many regulations, which is obvious by the saw can´t be racism or an insult except for the intention, people in general must be better informed about other countries culture, as I suspect spaniards has USA culture everyday in tv and cinema, but spanish culture not in their media, so it is easy to make wrong ideas about people in another countries.

    How can anyone imagine an enterprise, and much more, a basket team are going to insult to any country? what are they worthing with that? In Spain, I live in, are many chinesse people and are welcome in general I can appreciate, as anyone from another country if not a criminal or bad people generally speaking, and I would like to connect with them but unfortunately they tend to get closed only around her own people, I can see with happiness that now you can find chinesse people which tend more to integrate with the country, but beyond inmigration problems, as they are in every country as well, in Spain, are ignorants, are good and very clever and intelligent people, are blokes as you, USA, have too, as in many countries.

    I think those who connect particular way of expressions to a general behaviours related to a country are for sure cobards, as an arabic proverb says: “violence is the resort of the weak people”, and it is really curious, that all those so-called defenders of the anti-racism, resort to it…becoming racist too when the insult to a country in general…but, relating to the ‘intention’ when you speak, no offence can be made if you don´t have the intention to offend, and that was the case of the spanish add. As here, as a cultural way of thinking this add has the intention of a well meaning wink as saying ‘hey guys we are all chinesse during the Olympic Games”. And for sure it was the intention of the managers of the enterprise who made the add.

    Racism comes from a wrong idea that others are inferior. By the way, an actitude very similar to put your finger in your lip ordering to shut up chinesse people in a olimpic basketball final…

    What to say?…during and after basket final Spain-USA people had the impresion of a referee prevalence to USA and for it the gold medal, if you connect that with the Koby gesture (‘shut up everyone’), it is really difficult to me to think if one of our basket players do that, only a few people doesn´t get very angry with his own player for doing that, becouse here in Spain, don´t know if in USA too, this gesture is normal for fanatic supporters of soccer in an internal competition (not for the rest of public) not when you are playing Olympic Games. Despite of that, I recognize he was the only one saluting in a correct way spanish players after match…

    I hate racism, and with me many people in my country and around the world, and hate racist behaviours a cause of more or less money you have…Hate to insult Olympic spirit when you have the impression that one USA player seems to be prepotent with a gesture, you suspect referees are around USA players, becouse they don´t have respect to basket regulations in faults and attempts to turn into a ‘marathon with a ball’ the basketball…You know, who are free of guilty, throw the first stone…

  • JIMMY PAGE // August 26, 2008 at 11:56 am

    spain = 3rd world. end of story.

  • Cheese! // August 26, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    jimmy page=pathetic, ignorant, trashy, social retard. end of story

  • TO jimjams page-boy // August 26, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    to jimjams page-boy // Aug 25, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Anglo-Saxons: world first class terrorists, actual most dominant world mafia, which leader attend to the initials G.W.B. and located in areas called U.K. and U.S.A. Great display of multimedia supporting their miserable, sick and nobody believes or listen propaganda.
    Strategy: invade illegally entire countries, killing their leaders to steal the country resources for their own benefit. See Iraq and the oil spoiled from the country. Other cases Chile (Salvador Allende), Panama (Noriega) not killed, this was lucky and was only removed. Or protagonists of the greatest holocaust all times: the killing of the native Indians in the territories where they actually live, which populations have been reduced in no longer than 100 years to the extermination. Among perpetration of other large massive terrorists acts, as the indiscriminate bombing against civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Largest criminal and terrorist act in human history.

    END OF STORY

  • Antonio // August 26, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    The difference between Spain and UK/USA is that we are both as racist (shamely) as any other country in the world, but they disguise it better (in fact, they are experts in the subject).

    I know this is a fact, the problem is we are still to naive to realize we cannot do things like what the National Basket Team did.

    But I won’t take moral lessons from people who just try to take advantage of their free-of-guilt situation.

    I can’t believe there is such a country who can feel so free of guilt that can judge other countries’ mistakes.

    Before we can criticise others (which is something I simply do not agree with), we should look at ourselves first. Are we free of sin and guilt? Do I agree with what I see in the streets? Has MY country done anything wrong against other countries? Do I have the moral right to give advice to others? Do I understard other countries’ thoughts and beliefs so I can give my opinion about them?

    Please, think about it.

    No need to mention racism, illegal wars and blood for oil are all tremendous mistakes.

    Regards.

  • TO jimjams page-boy // August 26, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    ESP = 45 million people = 18 medals

    USA = 250 million people = 110 medals

    Proportionally there is only a difference of 1.8 medals between Spain and USA, what makes me even more proud of the sport successes of my country.

    No time for losers, cause we’re the champions…………….of the world.

  • jimmy page // August 26, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    why re you quoting that to me you fucking retard ? im not from the USA you prick…
    chinga tu madre .

  • anthonyOA // August 26, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    The excuses from the Spanish in this topic are despicable.

    FACT1: it’s racist.
    FACT2: it should be condemned.
    Fact3: Spain seems to make these public gaffs over and over again.

    i know i’m not adding much to the conversation, but “wow” at some of the apologetic responses.

    “bu-bu-but their eyes look like that! bu-bu-but they called us ghosts once… a few years ago… not to my face… in a bar…. in Brazil..”

    :|

  • TO jimjams page-boy // August 27, 2008 at 8:47 am

    <<>>

    Did you already forgot? you mosquito brain,
    just providing information you’ll never think to be close to comprehend, little crawling beast.

    die drown into your own mediocrity, shoot yourself, you don’t belong to this world, you degenerated rate of sewer.

    Don’t care where you’re from, what you even don’t know yourself, neither you have any idea who your mom was, don’t you? little bastard

  • jimmy page // August 27, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    haha you total fucking loser , i hope your puta madre is making some good euros tonight , you need it in your crap hole of a 3rd world rubbish country. your food tastes of olive oil and salt , nothing more . your people are the emptiest , shallowest shit of the world . the best thing happened in spain ? that crash in madrid.
    END OF STORY PENDEJO .

  • TO jimjams page-boy // August 28, 2008 at 9:26 am

    pero vaya pedazo de gentuza miserable, menuda escoria humana, tendrías que haber ido tu en ese avión desgraciado, así habría alguien viviendo con mas derecho a la vida, que ni eso te mereces, caete muerto rata de cloaca

  • JIMMY PAGE // August 28, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    hahahaha me cago em madrid y los familias alli !! hahaha que bueno !! asi que espero mañana otro avion desgracia lo mismo , y tu madre esta en ella :-)

    que te jodan maricon .

  • TO jimjams page-boy // August 28, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    I know little brain, your stomach is so empty as your pate, I can send you a couple of euros that you can eat something today, ….poor starveling, give your address and I’ll bring you something to put into your beak.

  • jimmy page // August 28, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    erm…how am i starving exactly ? you fucking stupid caveman español de mierda . I’m not the one living in a 3rd world country that is only going one way…downhill hahahaha shithole :-) i will be laughing to see all those arrogant snobby spanish sit people losing their jobs and starving hahaha you have NOTHING to offer the world ! except planes that dont work

  • TO jimjams page-boy // August 29, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    The plane was own by the SAS, Scandinavian airlines, as well as Spanair, inform yourself ignorant maniac, (that’s quite difficult you being able to learn or understand something).

    But if you prefer I can bring the food to prison, By the way were you jailed in Alcala Meco, huh? then you were suffering a lot, properly when the Spanish put your asshole as a tube entrance OOOOO

    What a pity nobody loves you, poor soul, you’re alone and down, mentally broken, lost in your mediocrity, no present, no future, no money, no funny, nothing, you are nothing, only an empty stomach, ………..starveling ………and your heart full of heet, why? because you are a fucking loser and you will always be. Que te den macaco sudaca, que es lo que te gusta, that is because yuo come back here every day. pero lo siento enano no me gustan los maricones y menos sudacas

  • Sarita // August 29, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    Hello, I’m a girl from Spain.
    I think the basketball didn’t mean any harm with the photo, but since they have hurt people, they should apologise and not do that again.
    Anyway, I believe Gasol has already apologised on behalf of the team.

    I think it was unfortunate that the Spanish basketball team accepted to do these gestures, because their intentions have been misunderstood, and now, through the English press, they are giving Spain a bad reputation in English-speaking countries…

    Anyway, this photo was addressed to people from China (who haven’t actually complained about it), not to people from the USA and the UK. The Guardian has published the photo, it seems, with the object of creating controversy about Spain, because they didn’t tell the real intentions of the Spanish people at posing for the photo, which were far from racist, it was kindly meant. This may sound naïve to people, for example, from the USA, but take into account that we have a different historical background from that of yours, that we don’t have a past in which we were racist to Chinese people and used that gesture to bully them, as in the USA. I understand the feelings of those Asian-Americans who complain.

    BUT I’ve read some comments of people who bash the whole country of Spain because of the mistakes of the team. I would ask you to stop doing it please. I can understand these people may feel deeply offended by the gesture, but it is unfair (and racist) to generalise that Spaniards are all ignorants, etc. and it more brings offense to people who are not to blame.

    BTW I’ve read that some have found an article, “United States humiliated the Japanese people with a militar gesture in 2006″ (it’s in Spanish but I translated the title), and it happened to be a quite similar case to this one. The thing is that the Japanese felt offended by the USA but there were no sanctions, while now sanctions are asked for Spain. Wait, why wasn’t the USA sanctioned for their gesture then? Why isn’t justice equal to everyone?

  • FromSpainWithLove // August 31, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Here’s the truth. Everyone is a little racist but nobody wants to admit it publicly. I have friends of all ethnicity but in my home with my closet friends and family we also make racial jokes. I know its not right but its funny. I also cross the street when I see a black man coming. Yea its true in America if you’re white the sky is the limit. Mexicans do commit crimes. Thats why alot of them is in jail. So what?

  • Marina // August 31, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    Hey, you should take a look at this. I saw this message in a forum and I found it interesting to share with you. It is an apology by a person (the name of the poster was “Emilio”) who was responsible for the ad:

    “I belong to the Advertising agency who created the ad for Seur ( spanish company and Spanish basketball team sponsor ) and I feel the need to express the sincere apologies ( we as spaniards have to be critical with ourselves as wel ) if the ad´s hurt anyonone´s sensibility ,from us and from the spanish people who´s vast majority is by far no racist at all (you can ask lot of people from Morocco,Romania,Colombia…liv ing in Spain,if they feel welcomed in Spain or not ).
    I can assure that the intention behind the ad was to pay homage to the chinese people ( in a unappropiate way as we´ve found later ) with a little touch of humour ,never was intended to be racist in any sense and it´s been retired in order to avoid further controversy ( the english-american press should do a self critical reflection exercise ,and stop trying to take advantage of a nonsense anecdote in order to critizice a whole country ).
    Regarding the “supposed” racism in Spain..well of course there´s always a bunch of racist idiots who do nothing but tarnish spanish reputation ( as it happens everywhere ,or would it be fair to call racist the americans just because you have people who belong to the KKK ? or the english just because you have hooligans who call the french “frogs” ande the spaniards “dagos” ?).Please ,please don´t pretend to moralize a country moved by stupid details that doesn´t show the reality of a whole country.
    Regards
    If you please read the following article from an english journalist you´ll be more than surprised seeing that the spaniards are not what the press try to tell you:
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article3341989.ece

    I think it is a very interesting article indeed. It shows how the point of view actually varies from one culture to another, how the media tries to manipulate information to create controversy. And it also says that Spain is MORE RACIALLY TOLERANT than Britain (and it is an Englishman who says so) .

    Some interesting sentences from the article:

    “Spain is more racially tolerant than Britain, despite the fuss over the insults hurled at Lewis Hamilton”.

    “I mean, how can one say in any seriousness that there is a plague of racism in Spain, how can the minister of sport threaten to “take steps” against a European Union partner, when the very person who was the butt of the offence, the brown-skinned Lewis Hamilton, has been at pains to state how much he has always been “in love with Spain – and especially Barcelona”? To be in love, you have to have had more than a passing acquaintance with the love object. So presumably we can take it that Hamilton has been to Spain and Barcelona often, and that in all previous circumstances he has been treated with respect, if not outright affection. So where does that leave the plague, and the sanctions on an entire nation of 45m people? ”

    “(…) there is far higher tolerance in Spain for what in England would be considered extreme profanity (…) Does this mean that the Spanish are exceptionally sexist or uniquely, ragingly pagan? No it does not (…) Now, there is no question that on race matters the British are more sensitive in their public utterances than the Spanish; more pussyfootingly correct. “.

    “The point about Spain, however, is that after 500 years of racial and religious homogeneity (after they kicked out the Jews and Moors in 1492) they have suddenly had, in the past 15 years, an influx of immigrants from Africa.

    It is not a long time for a society to adjust, yet they have done so with a tolerance and respect that would certainly not have been seen in Britain in 1960, and for which – I have done the work, I have talked to them from north to south, from the Basque country to Andalucia – immigrant associations in Spain consider themselves largely very fortunate”.

    “What about the racism – or bigotry or xenophobia, or whatever you want to call it – encouraged by sectors of the British press when England play France or Germany or Argentina at football? Or is it okay when the people one mocks and humiliates and insults are the same skin colour? And if so – given what happened not all that long ago in Nazi Germany and Hutu Rwanda – why?”

    I, as a Spaniard, think it’s a bit nasty when English or American people say “Oh look, how pathetic Spaniards are, they’re trying to defend themselves when they should be ashamed of how racists they are”. Well, we are defending because we don’t believe we are the way that you label us, because these incidents in sports do not represent us as a whole.

    Did you see the basketball match between the US and Spain? Did you see any racism on the part of the Spanish players? Surely not. What’s more, Gasol and Kobe hugged at the end. Kobe even said about Gasol “I consider him like a brother”.

  • Marina // September 1, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    Another very interesting article, It tells the experiences of an American black male who has been living in Spain.: “Is Spain racist? A case study”

    http://equipaje.wordpress.com/2006/07/05/is-spain-racist-a-case-study/

  • Mar // September 2, 2008 at 12:10 am

    I agree with so many people here talking with disgust about people who look down, make fun and see others under ignorant, pre conceived racial and cultural stereotypes. Here is another recent example
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBlePJ1n2LM

  • TO jimjams page-boy // September 4, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    GONE……. SUICIDAL?

  • REMINDER // September 4, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    Anglo-Saxons: world first class terrorists, actual most dominant world mafia, which leader attend to the initials G.W.B. (not for long) and located in areas called U.K. and U.S.A. Great display of multimedia supporting their miserable, sick and nobody believes or listen propaganda.
    Strategy: invade illegally entire countries, killing their leaders to steal the country resources for their own benefit. See Iraq and the oil spoiled from the country. Other cases Chile (Salvador Allende), Panama (Noriega) not killed, this was lucky and was only removed. Or protagonists of the greatest holocaust all times: the killing of the native Indians in the territories where they actually live, which populations have been reduced in no longer than 100 years to the extermination. Among perpetration of other large massive terrorists acts, as the indiscriminate bombing against civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Largest criminal and terrorist act in human history.

  • GLogic // September 4, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    >I can assure that the intention behind the ad was to pay homage to the chinese people ( in a unappropiate way as we´ve found later ) with a little touch of humour ,never was intended to be racist in any sense and it´s been retired in order to avoid further controversy

    Is that true? Last I read the newspaper and the sponsor intended on running the ad throughout the week, despite the controversy. As one of aforementioned offended Chinese, that turned me from annoyed to angered.

  • anthonyOA // September 4, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    lol “kindly meant”. Next they’ll be blacking themselves up with shoe-polish for the football tournament in South Africa. “We only thought it was funny how black people aren’t actually black but dark brown. “Negro” if you will. LULZ”.

  • ColegadelaVega // September 4, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    UnitedStatetian team was boooed by chinese spectators during the basketball men final against Spain. I think that says it all…

    Specially, to the ignorant NYT journalists, or dumbass UK/USA’s bloggers, who were the only ones in the whole world who worried about if that ad could be “racist”.

    (and by the way, in that match, international basketball rules were specially modified for the NBA players…)

  • GLogic // September 4, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    Spanish team was loudly booed in next game after the picture came out in public. I think that says it all…

  • Mar // September 8, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    It sounds like quite a few that are writing here should take a -serious- look at the recent history of their own countries and people, by reading accurate books and truly reliable sources, not only the ones telling them about how ‘pretty’ and civilized ‘they are’ and how ‘well’ they have always done things.

  • José // September 12, 2008 at 10:59 am

    Dear a.,
    Do you solve everything punching people in the face?

  • José // September 12, 2008 at 11:51 am

    Dear USA,
    “Are you from Spain? If not, you are hardly qualified to say who should or should not be offended. I’ll wait for a Spaniard’s answer.”
    I don’t now about Lucas, but I’m from Spain and I completely agree with him when he says that “Only immature people would feel offended. Others would laugh, confronted with a silly, naive masquerade.”
    Anyway, I also agree with you when you say that “it is the target of the gesture that has the right to determine whether they are offended by it or not; not the provider of the gesture,” which takes us to one of the conclusions I have drawn after reading so many posts in different webs: it’s good that they apologized, although it is mostly people from the USA, UK, etc. of Asian descent who have felt offended – most people from China, and most people from Spain of Asian descent have not.

  • Ian // September 18, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    I think Spain is very racist.

    It is worth remembering that whilst Germany was only ruled by the National Socialists (Nazis) for 12 years, they ruled in Spain for over 40 years.

    A country’s character is in part based on it’s recent past. Spain was run by a military dictatorship until very recently so it’s not surprising it is so unpleasant.

  • IberiamHispanic // September 22, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    Is this racism?i think no,of course…is like call to one black guy with woed “negro”..is his colour?these definitions how “coloured people” is a shame…what colour??black…
    the chineses have the slit eyes or not?is stupid call racist to all spaniards for this…
    meanwhile in our national basket team we got one “black girl”…the boys are racist but not the girls…STUPIDS!!!

  • IberiamHispanic // September 22, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    You must think about this stupid article…all of we know about the real intentions of instigators of these type notices…the nosers!!

  • SickOfRudeSpaniards // September 22, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    Iberiam, thanks for affirming that Spain has an inordinate amount of insensitive fools. I’m sure there are very nice Spanish people out there, but the evidence really suggests otherwise.

  • Mar // September 23, 2008 at 5:24 am

    To SickOfRudeSpaniards…
    the evidence you choose to pay attention to.

  • SickOfRudeSpaniards // September 23, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    Please. Do you think I want to believe there’s such a predominant number of Spanish people who are like that? When the picture intially surfaced I expected, if not sincere, at least a contrite apology. Instead I saw the vast majority of posts by Spanish people pointing in every direction but their own. Oh really – I’m racist for being offended? Whatever.

  • Mar // September 23, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    I get the point.
    What I’m saying is that we could all agree upon signing as ‘SickOfRudePeople’ wherever they came from (at least I would) rather than making it sound like everybody else is completely clean, that’s all. It would only be fair to assume that Spain and spaniards (same with any other nationality) are about a lot more than an unfortunate picture, I don’t know how many people posted here saying the photograph was Ok (I agree with you to disagree with them), but there are over 45 million people in the country and I would not assume they are all represented in this forum.
    Anyhow massive immigration is a very recent phenomenon in Spain, there are a lot of sensitive aspects of it of which a lot of people are (very unfortunately) still not aware of as they would possibly be if they lived in other countries with other recent histories. But they’ll get up to speed with this (they’ll have to) as we have done in many other things in their spectacular last thirty years.
    Again, I agree with you ‘rude’ in never, ever, good.

  • José // September 25, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    Dear USA,
    “For some ethnic groups the negative stereotypes are physical (i.e. Asian eyes, Black skin/lips).”
    Why is it so hard to understand for some of you? What’s negative about Asian eyes or Black skin? Unless you’re extremely racist and xenophobic, I just don’t get how can anybody see anything negative in those physical traits.

  • Jon // October 10, 2008 at 3:07 am

    Jose, you must not have been around alot of different races when you were growing up.

  • José // October 10, 2008 at 9:19 am

    Dear Jon,
    So you mean that being around a lot of different races when growing up (which I was) should make me think that there’s something negative about those people with different racial traits?

  • José // October 10, 2008 at 9:21 am

    Dear USA,
    “LMAO. Who would want to go to Spain and ‘get drunk to Mallorca, Barcelona, Benidorm, etc…’ Racist pricks.”
    I’m not sure I understand what you mean with that sentence.
    If you mean that only racist pricks would want to go to Spain and get drunk…, I think you’re going a bit too far: those Britons who come to the Spanish East Coast to get drunk are uneducated, rude and ignorant, but not all of them are racist pricks (although I agree that many of them are).
    If, on the other hand, you mean that nobody would want to go to Spain and get drunk…, and those who say so are racist pricks, you’d better pack your sun protection and come and see, because they flock by the thousands every year (for not mentioning those who stay the whole year round).
    So quit LYAO and think twice before writing nonsense.

  • José // October 10, 2008 at 9:22 am

    Dear USA,
    “If you call this your “sense of humour”, who exactly are you laughing at and at whose expense?”
    That’s the main problem of many of those unable to understand: humour doesn’t necessarily mean laughing at anybody; it can mean laughing WITH somebody (when you watch a film or a comedian) or laughing at ONESELF (the most common in Spain).
    In my view, the real sense of humour is being able to laugh at or with oneself, and the worst type is laughing at others, although I must admit that it’s the easiest one – maybe that’s why simpletons think that it’s the only kind.

  • Ian // October 10, 2008 at 11:39 am

    I was viciously assaulted by the Spanish police in May. I can confirm fromm first-hand experience that Spain is a nation of cowardly fascists. They were ruled by National Socialists for over 40 years – Germany was only 12 years. You can see the fascism when you meet the Spanish state. As the biggest recipients of EU aid they are also the national equivalent of charity cases. Hilarioous, pathetic, insignificnat nation. I’m also very glad it’s rapidly turning into a desert.

  • José // October 10, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Dear Ian,
    I guess you’re one of those tourists who pee, crap and puke on the street, destroy the furniture at hotels and bars, get drunk and harass people, and so on.
    I see the Spanish police was not hard enough with you – you’d better come back for the second treatment so that your brain starts working correctly and your mouth stops talking nonsense about stuff you have no idea about.
    I have heard stupid theories in here, but yours about fascism in Spain because Franco ruled longer than Hitler is number one so far.
    Get a life – Southern Europe is unfortunately (for you, too, although you are too obtuse to realise) turning into a desert, but your brain seems to be drier than Sahara.

  • Jon // October 16, 2008 at 5:29 am

    Jose, you sound like a smart man but ignorant to the racial issues in this world. There are some things that are meant to be funny but has a long history or racism and slanted eyes and big noses are examples of them.

  • Ian // October 16, 2008 at 9:07 am

    Jose,

    I don’t pee, crap and puke on the street, destroy the furniture at hotels and bars, get drunk or harass people. However, as the Spanish Police beat people up regardless of whether they have done anything or not there is no reason for people to behave themselves in Spain.

    I ask you – what sort of people spit. The Spanish are the only nation I have ever encountered that spit at people on a regular basis. It is truly disgusting and vile.

    As for coming back, if I live to be a million years old I would never go back to Spain.

    As for your various comments about me being stupid, I have an IQ of around 135. If I was Spanish I would be the cleverest man in all of Spain.

    People from Great Britain have won 114 Nobel Prizes. Do you know how many people from Spain have won? (I didn’t think so, it’s a fact so it’s not something you’re likely to know). Spainish people have won 7. People who attended Bristol University (where I studied) have won 6. So the 2,000 people or so who pass through Bristol Uni every year have almost the same intellectual capacity as 45 million Spanish.

    It’s so funny you are so thick.

    Let me tell you Spain’s three main contricutions to world culture; the siesta, the chorizo, and the thumb screw.

    You brutally crushed and ruled your own people for 40 years. Do you really not feel any shame about your history?

    Your police are fascist, cowardly thugs.

    As mentioned before, it makes me very happy when I think of your rubbish little country turning into a dustbowl. Come to my house, the garden is green! I can water my garden all day long if I want.

    I can, and will, at some point write a book about what a rubbish country Spain is. “Spain – Why it’s the toilet of Europe”.

  • Anti PC // October 17, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    this is another example of political correctness run a muck.
    Spain dont care for PC terms and comments over slinty eyes.
    A spade is a spade in Spain and they may be a couple of years behind the rest of Europe but that is what is endearing about the country were freedom of speech and general liberties are still applied.
    They can smoke were they choose, say what they mean and are treated like adults, something Ian from Bristorrrrrl Uni knows nothing of. The Spainish as you call them have more culture than any person from bristol.

  • Ian // October 17, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    You clearly know very little.

    Spain has virtually no culture. The only city in Spain of any cultural significance is Barcelona – and anyone from there will tell you they’re not Spanish.

    The siesta. The chorizo. The thumb-screw.

    The best things about Spain are the beaches and the weather – neither of which Spain can take any credit for as they’re God’s work.

    Which Uni did you go to, Anti PC? Let me guess, it used to be a carpentary college.

  • miguel // October 18, 2008 at 2:24 am

    i am filipino and i have some chinese blood….well first of all i find this picture offensive and racist BUT the main question is: why did they have to print the picture if the publishers already know it is offensive? JUST TO PISS OFF BILLIONS OF PEOPLE?

    i agree that spaniards are what we call here in the philippines “alaskador” but the spaniards, in their part, should apologize because it may not be offensive to themselves BUT it is offensive to other people of other culture and another country.

    well i have to say the cultural differences. spain is a “machismo” country where all racial slurs AGAINST THEM are considered childish and inoffensive because they have a lot of fiery ego and pride in them. and that had affected their view over racism, assuming that everybody in this world is not offended by racial slurs because they don’t. asian countries, like the philippines and china, EMPHASIZES RESPECT. one slight slur, it is extremely offensive. just look at how filipino-americans protested about a hollywood movie insulting filipinos, just one line and a whole bunch of angry filipino-americans are protesting in the streets. as an asian myself, i can see the reason why chinese people are offended. i can see a common ground because we are all asians despite some spanish influence in filipino culture.

    but let’s not blame the spaniards for being “racist”. let us blame the one’s who published it. as they say “ignorance is bliss”. if they haven’t published it, then there is no problem right?

  • miguel // October 18, 2008 at 2:31 am

    Ian

    “Let me tell you Spain’s three main contricutions to world culture; the siesta, the chorizo, and the thumb screw.”

    siesta has been practiced by countries along the equator for years. siesta is very common in middle east, india, southeast asia, africa, southern china and oceania because the sun gets too hot in the midday and people are forced to sleep. spain is just one of those countries who do siesta because the weather in spain is not really that cold compare to korea, japan, uk or other countries far from the equator.

  • ONE WORLD // October 18, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    Ian you couldn’t even write a shopping list nevermind a book ,ya fuckin inbreed retard.
    You are racist yourself and don’t even realise just like the other sad cunt that was making sick jokes about the plane crash.
    Oh look how clever this guys is, he actually went to university , who gives a fuck? Racist people like yourself should be exterminated or at least castrated to prevent them from spreading their hate or making any attempts of writting books haha.

    Stop judging a whole country just because your wife or girlfriend got pumped by a Spaniard while you where sitting drunk in the pub with your white socks and sandals not being able of satisfying her and complaining about how your country,culture and contributions to the world are far superior than any other, sad prick.

    Excuse my language.

    ONE WORLD.

  • Ian // October 19, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    “Racist people like yourself should be exterminated or at least castrated”.

    You are clearly a Spaniard, as you are clearly very, very thick.

    Your country is turning into a desert. You get more charity from the EU than any other nation as you are poverty-ridden; and poverty-ridden due to being very lazy and very stupid. You allowed your country to be ruled by Nazis for 40 years, killing hundreds of thyouands of your own people. You have contributed next to nothing to world culture. Yo have contributed nothing to the world in terms of science or inventions or literature. And let’s not forget, you were the only European country to be dominated by a Muslim country for hundreds of years. You think you are tough but your army is weak and you have no decent boxers. You are, in short, losers. Kiss my arse and rot in hell, you horrible, loathesome fascist.

  • ONEWORLD // October 19, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    I think youre wrong , youve still not realised that you are the racist here, that makes you the thick one.

    You sound so bitter Ian , I dont know the reason and dont want to, what I do know is you’ve mastered wikipedia and youre one of the worst racist pricks I’ve ever come across.

    Thank god britain is not full of racist shits like you, it just has the same amount as any other country like Spain,Italy,Germany etc which is still unacceptable for normal people that dont judge people for their origin, religion etc. but then,racist cunts like you have to live thats the way it goes.

  • A Chinese Fellow // October 23, 2008 at 6:29 am

    “Why is it so hard to understand for some of you? What’s negative about Asian eyes or Black skin? Unless you’re extremely racist and xenophobic, I just don’t get how can anybody see anything negative in those physical traits.”

    Firstly: Chinese do not all have slit eyes, so it is a racist generalization to think that they do and portray them as such. When you whine, “But it’s true! they DO have slit eyes”, it is immediately apparent to me just how many Chinese people you live around. So you are in NO position to tell us what is offensive or not. It’s absurd to think that you are somehow entitled to tell someone that they should not find something offensive when you are not on the receiving end of these things.

    Secondly: Slit-eye gestures are a frequently performed in a derisive manner and, when you’ve been beaten up after being the recipient of such taunts, I would THINK that it’s a racist gesture.

    This is not rocket science, people. I spent 4 year learning the Spanish language, 4 years learning their culture, and now I think I’ve been wasting my time all along. These photos, along with their defenders, disgust me.

  • Ian // October 23, 2008 at 8:51 am

    One World, and any Spanisards out there, think about this;

    In the 1920s Britain was the most powerful nation on the planet. Spanish power peaked around 1600 – over 400 years ago.

    So in my Grandfathers day my nation was the world’s superpower. Spain’s power peaked in the days of your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather. Your last SIXTEEN generations have been letting your side down. It’s hilarious. But hey, you guys were strong in your fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ day.

    Important things to bear in mind about Spain;

    Ruled by National Socialists until 1978.
    Fascists still run their police force.
    EUs biggest charity case.
    Ruled by the Moors for 600 years.
    A desert.
    No brains – 7 Nobel prizes between 45 million people?!! Hilarious
    A real macho culture but one that has no boxers and a weak army.
    For a nation as weak as Spain I find it hilarious that so many of them genuinely believe they are macho.

    A joke of a country.

    Contributions to world culture; siesta, chorizo, thumb-screw.

    Case closed.

  • Ian // October 23, 2008 at 8:53 am

    One World, and any Spanisards out there, think about this;

    In the 1920s Britain was the most powerful nation on the planet. Spanish power peaked around 1600 – over 400 years ago.

    So in my Grandfathers day my nation was the world’s superpower. Spain’s power peaked in the days of your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather. Your last SIXTEEN generations have been letting your side down. It’s hilarious. But hey, you guys were strong in your fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ day.

    Important things to bear in mind about Spain;

    Ruled by National Socialists until 1978.
    Fascists still run their police force.
    A desert.
    No brains – 7 Nobel prizes between 45 million people?!! Hilarious
    A real macho culture but one that has no boxers and a weak army.
    For a nation as weak as Spain I find it hilarious that so many of them genuinely believe they are macho.

    A joke of a country.

    Contributions to world culture; siesta, chorizo, thumb-screw.

    Case closed.

  • José // October 30, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    Dear Ian,
    If you find no reason to behave yourself, in Spain, in this forum or wherever, I guess you don’t need any more beating, but another kind of treatment in an appropriate institution. Anyway, I’m glad to hear you’re not coming back – I wouldn’t like running into anybody like you next summer.

    As for spitting at people “on a regular basis” (?), my opinion is that this is not a matter of nationality, but of behaviour. The only place I have ever seen adult people spitting at each other is football games, especially hooligans.

    If you have an IQ of 135, you’d better make use of it instead of just showing it off so ludicrously. Anyway, I don’t know where you got that figure from, but maybe you should take your test again – somebody with such IQ wouldn’t make statements like “if I was Spanish I would be the cleverest man in all of Spain”, taking for granted that everybody in Spain is under 135 (MENSA would be a good place to research this before vomiting such racist nonsense).

    Do you know how many Nobel Prizes I have won? None. Do you know how many Nobel Prizes you have won? None. Why would anybody boast of the Nobel Prizes other people have won? Does that make you smarter, by means of osmosis or magic? Also, I don’t think it really matters what university you go to (even if you enjoy so much repeating the word “thick”): what really matters if what you make out of it, how much you study, how hard you work and what you learn – and it seems you didn’t learn anything about manners, nor about Spain or about History. I feel shame about the history of Spain, the same way I feel shame about the history of many other countries and about the present of some others nowadays.

    Thanks for inviting me to your house, but I must decline your offer: your mindless waste, watering your garden all day long, would make me feel uncomfortable. Besides, I don’t need a garden, since I can go to this park (http://flickr.com/photos/7735932@N06/1751472877/) just climbing down the stairs from my appartment – and I don’t need to water it, since I live in a fairly rainy city.

    Good luck with your book; let me know if anybody reads it, especially if you use words like “contricution” (I would understand it if “c” was next to “b” on the keyboard, unless you meant to write “contrivution”, which would mean you should have paid more attention to your spelling lessons at school before going to your awesome Nobel-prize-winning university).

  • José // November 5, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Dear Ian,
    Were teachers at your beloved university as repetitive and boring as you? I can see you didn’t learn much about Spain – I wonder if you can name three more cities apart from Barcelona… without using Google! But what I don’t understand is the reason why you keep repeating your chorizo-siesta-thumb screw litany in all of your posts, as if you found some kind of delight in showing as all how ignorant and reactionary you are. You share that kind of illiterate, black-and-white interpretations of life with those fascists you say you despise so much.
    Maybe Anti PC went to a carpentry (not “carpentary”) college, where for sure he made better use of his time and his money than you. I’m sure he doesn’t feel that urge to ask everybody which university they went to.

  • José // November 5, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Dear A Chinese Fellow,
    When you quote me (“Why is it so hard to understand for some of you? What’s negative about Asian eyes or Black skin? Unless you’re extremely racist and xenophobic, I just don’t get how anybody can see anything negative in those physical traits”) and then you say that not all Chinese have slit eyes, do you realize that assertion is not included anywhere in my post – that is, I don’t say anywhere that all Chinese may have slit eyes?
    Please do not distort what I write. I have never whined anything like “But it’s true! They do have slit eyes.” Actually, I don’t usually whine.
    I understand I’m in no position to tell anybody, not only you (whatever you mean by “us”), whether to feel offended or not – and I have never pretended to. But for sure, you’re in no position whatsoever to twist what I write or to use other people’s quotes to reply to me.
    I still think there’s nothing wrong with Asian eyes or Black skin, and more than fifty million people have proved it today!

  • José // November 5, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Dear Ian,
    You run again into the same brick wall – I guess your head is even harder than that! What was your contribution to Britain’s being the most powerful nation on the planet in the twenties? What was One World contribution to Spanish power peaking over four hundred years ago?
    How long did it take you to work out the number of generations in that time? Did you need a calculator? Why didn’t you use it to figure out the number of years the Moors (not only them, the Berbers were here, too) ruled the Iberian Peninsula? You just had to press nine keys (“1492-711=”) to get the appropriate answer (781, not 600 years).

  • José // November 6, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Dear USA,
    When you say “you really have to wonder why these songs were taught in the first place. I hardly think it is rooted in a sincere desire to celebrate diversity. I don’t think it was taught with malicious intent per say, but I do believe its origin is rooted perhaps unconsciously in magnifying (and lightly ridiculing) differences, not celebrating them. In other words, those “light-hearted” childhood songs aren’t as innocent as you may think when you really think about it,” it makes me think that those childhood songs were actually very innocent (of course! They’re meant for kids!) The problem arises when the listeners or the viewers are not that innocent themselves.
    When I was little and I heard and sang those songs, along with two of my classmates who were from Chinese origin and had the slanted-eye trait, I felt really anxious to learn more about the country of my classmates’ parents and about their Culture, an anxiety that still persists nowadays. Nobody in our class made fun of our Chinese friends and I am quite sure that nobody felt we were magnifying or ridiculing any differences, neither celebrating them, just noticing them and singing a song that said it didn’t matter at all, because we are all the same regardless of the shape of our eyes.

  • José // November 6, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    Dear Sil,
    “I think that “we” are all forgetting who sponsored the ad that this picture was made for. A Chinese company… not a Spanish one. A CHINESE ONE!!! That is the little simple fact that this British article decided to leave out.”
    As far as I know, SEUR is a Spanish company, not a Chinese one – please get enough information before writing anything.

  • GLogic // November 7, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    José:
    > When you quote me (“Why is it so hard to understand for some of you? What’s negative about Asian eyes or Black skin? Unless you’re extremely racist and xenophobic, I just don’t get how anybody can see anything negative in those physical traits”) and then you say that not all Chinese have slit eyes, do you realize that assertion is not included anywhere in my post – that is, I don’t say anywhere that all Chinese may have slit eyes?

    When you defend the ad where they pull their eyes into slits with that statement, the implication is there that “Asian people have slit eyes”.

    Also children’s songs aren’t necessarily innocent. London Bridge is about the black plague, and then there’s a song I can think of where the singer ends with “look at these!” showing their chest. Or any of a myriad of childrens’ chants ridiculing some poor victim.
    While your class might have been very accepting, do you really think that song says “just noticing them and singing a song that said it didn’t matter at all, because we are all the same regardless of the shape of our eyes.”? Is there anywhere in the song that says that?

  • José // November 13, 2008 at 11:01 am

    Dear dmt,
    (“It is probably what occurred in Nazi Germany before the holocaust. The world should shut Spain out!”)
    You’re absolutely right: current situation in Spain is totally reminiscent of Nazi Germany before the holocaust – you just made a very realistic comparison, thank you for enlightening us all with your great knowledge.

  • José // November 20, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    Dear Olivia,
    “Learn to put together a sentence and then speak. A sentence has to quantity, Spain being a country of millions would be plural not singular. Therefore, it would be Spain brings.”
    You might teach at Oxford (who cares!) but you’re getting confused: if “Spain” is plural, it will be “Spain bring”; if “Spain” was singular, it would be “Spain brings”.
    Go check your grammar book again.

  • José // November 20, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Ariana,
    ¿Raza de mierda? “Mierda” es lo que sale de tu boca cuando hablas, no creo que las cerca de cien razas que viven en China en la actualidad, de las cuales la Han es la mayoritaria pero no la única, tengan nada que ver con la mierda. “Mierda” son los racistas como tú que dan mala imagen a un país entero. En vez de expulsar a los inmigrantes, tendrían que expulsaros a vosotros; no debería haber sitio para racistas e ignorantes en nuestra sociedad.

  • god // December 27, 2008 at 4:12 am

    Esta discusion es una gilipollez, pero viniedo del odio todo se comprende, ya sabemos todos lo que pasó cuando Janet Jackson enseño un pecho en televisión la que montaron, aquí fue hace 25 con Sabrina y no paso nada, son especialistas de la desinformación y la exageración, pero tranquilos que eso se cura con libros.

  • José // January 20, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    Dear salmantino,
    Yeah right! Spain’s economy is totally dependent on the UK and the alcohol our bars sell to drunkards!
    It’s very sad trying to excuse the outrageous behaviour of some tourists speculating that it’s caused by the lack of quality of the alcohol being sold – I would rather say that the cause is not so much the quality as the quantity!
    I’m glad to read that you prefer to live in England, so I won’t be likely to bump into you. Anyway, if so, you should quit calling yourself “salmantino”.

  • José // January 20, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    Dear USA,
    It’s not newton who simplifies a very complicated issue – it’s you who complicates a very simple non-issue, stubbornly refusing not only to understand points of view, but also to admit facts. If the gesture has a “deep-seeded” history it’s just because people like you insist on maintaining it that way.

  • Janouch // January 20, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Oye, José, la verdad es que Ian no deja de tener razón, aunque para denostar el racismo español incurra en un racismo y en una xenofobia todavía más agresivos.

    Inglaterra ha aportado mucho más a la cultura universal que España, tanto a través de sí misma como de Estados Unidos. Como te ha dicho, no hay más que comparar el número de premios Nobel. De hecho, Reino Unido tiene más premios Nobel que España, Francia e Italia juntos. Por supuesto, eso no va a hacer mejor al propio Ian.

    En cuanto a lo que dice de la cultura, el único campo en el que España ha descollado de forma incuestionable y permanente es en el de la pintura (Inglaterra, al contrario, no se ha caracterizado nunca por la calidad de sus pintores).

    La policía española es fascista, sí, pero no menos que la inglesa, y si no recordemos los siete tiros al brasileño del metro. La policía actúa igual en todas partes. El policía español que maltrató a Ian no se habría comportado de forma muy diferente si Ian hubiese sido español.

    Yo, como español, creo que los españoles sí somos racistas en general. Ya no hablo de este rollo de la foto. Entra en la página de 20 minutos y verás qué tipo de comentarios abundan. Hoy mismo venía una noticia sobre una caravana de mujeres, en la que la mayoría de las integrantes parecen ser ecuatorianas, y no veas el racismo insultante de los comentarios -de casi todos los comentarios, no de unos cuantos. Y algo parecido sucede en casi todas las noticias.

  • José // January 26, 2009 at 11:17 am

    Dear salmantino,
    Now I know the reason why you hate Spain so much. You came here, were utterly unable to learn the language, couldn’t even make yourself understood at a bank, and eventually had to go back home with your tail between your legs.
    Some people are just not intellectually prepared to travel too far from home!
    Tasteless pinchos? Where did you eat, dude?
    You say you had the same experience everywhere you went; of course, it never crossed your mind that it could be your fault, right?

  • José // January 26, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Dear William,
    Thanks for all your comments, good luck with your business (we need enterprising people like you, man!) and ignore that minority of ignorant assholes who are unable to understand that we live in a diverse World. It’s so funny that there should be people like that in Spain! So many cultures have been here during so many centuries that I really doubt whether there could be anybody without any racial mix. Those who write “negros fuera de España” don’t know that their great-great-(…)-grandfather was a Berber, and those who make racist or nazi symbols don’t realize that their great-great-(…)-grandmother was a Jew (only that they didn’t inherit any of her intelligence).
    One of the arguments some people give to explain why they hate immigrants (unless they are football players, in which case they’re not immigrants, but foreigners, so they’re not hated, but praised and admired) is that they’re taking jobs from Spanish people. They just don’t understand that they’re just taking the jobs nobody else wants to do, or the jobs some people (like racists) are too stupid to carry out.

  • José // January 26, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    Dear Gabe,
    I don’t know where you got the translation from, but Calderón didn’t write “Anyone who would like to interpret this differently is absolutely confused”, but “Anyone who would like to interpret this differently is absolutely wrong.” (http://tinyurl.com/c4l4uh).
    Do you get what I mean?

  • José // February 4, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    Dear Queen Elizabeth #2,
    I don’t think you should be ashamed of being English. Like any other country, it has many good things and many bad things. I guess that, more or less, deep inside people are basically the same everywhere – we’re all the offspring of Cain.
    The same thing about Scots, N. Irish and Welsh applies to Gallegos, Vascos, Catalanes, etc. in Spain. If Pau Gasol (or whoever) does well, people and media say that he’s Spanish. One day he’ll have a bad day and his passport will change to Catalan as if by magic.
    If a foreigner gets in trouble with the law, he’s an uncivilized immigrant who should be deported from the country. If they do something outstanding or heroic (which, funnily enough, happens quite often), he’s a Spaniard native to some other country.
    It’s the same the whole world over.

  • Sando // February 5, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    Is Apain racist because of this????? This is a shitty argument to conclude that Spanish are racist.

  • José // February 5, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    Dear Jesus,
    “ITS obvious to me that people in spain IS still stuck in the past and NEEDS to catch up to the rest of the modern world.”
    Would you consider following grammar rules a proof of being stuck in the past?

  • José // February 5, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    Dear John Bull,
    Man, I don’t know if you’re trying to be ironic or what, but your comment saying that “slanty eyes are clearly a sign of inferiority, that’s why the gesture is racist because it stresses that defect of the Eastern races” is the most stupid one I have ever read or heard, not only in this blog, but anywhere in my entire life.
    I really don’t understand how anybody can believe that a certain eye shape can be inferior or superior, or that a physical racial trait can be a defect. I think being inferior or superior is not a matter of races, but a matter of brain and dude, you have shown us all that you’re the living proof of that.

  • Posh // February 11, 2009 at 8:31 am

    Heck yeah the photograph was racist. Anyone who doesnt see that the spanish team were being idiots and poking fun at Chinese peoples eyes are complete morons. I mean, come one! The photograph was printed in one of their biggest newspapers. That just blows my mind away. I have been to spain a couple of times before and I swear, these people will NEVER admit wrong doing. For them its all ´just in fun´or íts only a joke´. Well ha fucking ha. Its only funny for them when its not at their expenxe. These people are the biggest ignorant racist baffoons you will ever meet. Dont buy into that bull shit that Spain isnt racist because there is soo much immigration. Yeah, you should see how these soul-less people treat those immigrants! These people clearly have an inferority complex because most of them are not really ´white´, atleast dont look it so they feel compelled to go after other groups of people to make themselves feel better and superior. And let me tell you, 95% or higher are racist. Dont let them convince you otherwise. They are no only racist, but they hate anyone from another country, black white purple. They are just very angry, hateful, and aggressive people, I Mean come one…they dislike their own people, basques against catalans, against gallegos, etc etc. I just hope that neither the Olympics or the World Cup will EVER be held there. We cant have these ass holes throwing peanuts and chanting monkey noises at the black players and then saying ´thats no racist, its only racist if you take offense to peanuts´…. Loosers

  • Gracie // February 11, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    Yeah….it is just completely ridiculous for these spanish people to try to cover their wrong. I’ve over heard a comment from some dude talking next to me when all this fiasco was going on, he said, “spanish people are good for prostitution, selling drugs, and committing crimes but they are not good for anything else” Oh wait, was that offensive? I didn’t mean anything by it. My point exactly.

  • Gracie // February 11, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    Whether the spainards meant it or not, the damage is done. It is irrelevant whether the spainards think it is offensive or not, the rest of the world has to deal with the effects of this picture. You or any one cannot tell other people how to feel about it. If Spain had the balls to create this, they should have the balls to receive the consequences.

  • José // February 12, 2009 at 8:13 am

    Dear Gracie,
    “You or any one cannot tell other people how to feel about it”.
    But for the grammar, you’ve just hit the nail on the head. This issue would have never existed if Sid Lowe and his zealot followers hadn’t tried to tell other people how to feel or what to think – or if some people weren’t so easy to be told how to feel or what to think.

  • Gracie // February 12, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    I am not sure which side you’re on but even if Sid Lowe did not bring this to the spotlight, it was the choice of the Spanish team to make this offensive gesture into a national tv advertisement. If other ethnic groups find it offensive, it is offensive. Yes, the Asians have slanted eyes, so what? That is no reason to mock the race. Would it still be okay if a whole bunch of caucasian male cover themselves in black paste to imitate the black race and worst yet, make it into a national tv campaign? We should embrace the traits of difference ethnic groups not mock the very traits that makes them different. Lastly, who are you to criticize other people for not gathering enough information or for their grammer? The purpose of blogging, I would hope, is to learn from each other and to discuss the matter at hand, certainly not to be put down by some one like you.

  • José // February 13, 2009 at 8:28 am

    But Sid Lowe DID bring into the spotlight!
    Who am I to criticize for not gathering enough information? I’m nobody, really, but I believe it’s essential to gather enough information on a certain topic before entering into discussion (something you didn’t do: it was not a national TV advertisement, it was only shown in newspapers).
    Anyway, congratulations, you hit the nail on the head again. I agree we should embrace the traits of difference ethnic groups, and that was exactly the intention of the Spanish basketball team, completely misunderstood by racist people.

  • Gracie // February 14, 2009 at 3:26 am

    Understood your point. However, it is not only the racist people, as you call them, that are getting offended by this. Several years back, I had a friend whom is Chinese. He was made fun of, in the same way by his peers. This gesture has been and is still used by many people to make fun intentionally at the Asian people. My point in this, is that, it does not matter if the Spanish people are or aren’t aware of the effects of slanting their eyes imitating the Asians, there will be asian people that will offense to this. I’ve learn long time ago that while intentions can be purely good, how the person at the other end perceive this “intention” is completly a separate story. For example, a mother can rummage through her child’s things with her intention is that she is protecting her child, on the other hand, it speaks to the child that, “hey, your own mother cannot trust you enough to make the right decisions, or to even talk to you openly but she rather rummage through your crap behind your back.” Anyhow, this is only example that comes to mind to clarify my point. Whether the Spanish did this out of ignorance or out of spite, at this point, this matter rests on their own conscience.

  • Jules // February 14, 2009 at 10:36 am

    The reason some Spaniards are racist is because of their history of Arab Moorish occupation. As well as this they have the influence of the Carthaginian empire and they where north African as well. Both these groups interbred with the native occupation for hundreds of years. Don’t forget that Carthage ruled spain from 300bc to 170bc. And the moors ruled spain for 400 years.They know that they are mixed with north african blood. Some Spaniards would pass for Arab and they do not like it. Unfortunately in todays world they feel they have to distance themselves from this and show they are white. But at what point do you become white? Well by trying to upset black sports people?

  • José // February 14, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Dear Gracie,
    “while intentions can be purely good, how the person at the other end perceiveS this “intention” is completly a separate story”.
    Nailed it again, three out of three, 100%! That’s the reason why the Spanish basketball team, as a group as well as individually (Gasol, Calderon…) apologized to the Chinese community worldwide and to anybody who might have felt offended.
    However, some people consider that good intentions, and subsequently apologizing despite those good intentions, is not good enough. Some people have so much hatred within that they cannot conceal it.
    PS: tell your mum I don’t approve of her touching your stuff! (Just kidding).

  • José // February 14, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    Dear Jules,
    How can a group of people (a complete, heterogeneous country) as a whole be racist because of something that ended five centuries ago?
    You’re mistaken when you say that the moors (as a generalisation, because they were not the only ones coming from Africa) ruled the Iberian Peninsula (Spain did not exist as a country yet) for only 400 years, because, first, they never ruled the whole region, and second, they stayed here for more than 700 years (maybe you wanted to hit “4”, but finally hit “7” instead, since they’re together on the keyboard).
    However, you’re completely right when you say that this country is a racial melting pot. We’re a mixture of Iberians, Celts, Carthaginians, Romans, Germans, Maghribians, Africans, Jews, Gypsies and many more. I am proud of it, and most people I know are very proud as well. I believe it’s not a reason to be racist, but the complete opposite.
    Some Spaniards would pass for Arabs, and usually their friends call them “moro” as an affectionate nickname – is that trying to distance themselves? I guess not.
    There’s no point in showing you’re white, or in trying to become white, because there’s nothing about “white” that makes it better than the rest of the colours. I am not white, I am not black. Hell! I don’t even know how to define my own skin colour! AND I DON’T GIVE A DAMN! WHO CARES? You have to be so racist to waste your time dividing the world in colour groups, when the the whole World is actually a melting pot, too.

  • José // February 14, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Posh, that goes for you, too.
    Inferiority complex for not being white? Come on! And what does “looking white” mean? Is it some kind of racist jargon?
    Basques against Catalans? I don’t know how long you spent here or how many people from here you spoke with, but clearly you didn’t understand anything.
    Now that you mention football, here’s my theory: there’s a lot of racism in Spain, but if there’s one place where racism is almost ubiquitous, that is football. Take Spain, UK, Greece, Netherlands… you name it; go to a football match and you will see a bunch of zombi-like hooligans with their stupid songs, their nazi signs, their alcohol, their sparklers and their violence.
    Anyway, what is a “looser”? Somebody who has a loose screw?

  • Gracie // February 14, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    No. She doesn’t. That was just an example to prove my point. You have been very passionately defending the Spanish, would I be mistaken to assume that you are from Spain?

  • Gracie // February 14, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    I am not the person that thinks every one should be perfect and apologizing for your mistake is not good enough. However, if one thinks about the consequences of his or her actions more, one would not have to apologize at the end. I’ve known some people that just don’t think before they say or do something. The word “sorry” is just a word they throw around to relieve them of their pesonal responsibilities. This world is all about cause and effect. Not that I am saying the Spanish should not be forgiven because of this, but I am saying that it is hard to tell whether they are remorseful or just going to the motion because this has been brought to attention. ’til next time….

  • Gabe // February 17, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    If the team had put forward a sincere apology then a lot of the uproar would have died down. I personally was made more upset when I read apologies amounting to “this is a loving gesture and you’re confused for taking it otherwise”. Pau Gasol himself admitted that he thought it was a bad idea when they did it. Was the entire team that naive? Will they paint their faces black and stick out their lips should the olympics hit somewhere in Africa? Further it’s the reactions from spaniards defending the actions, saying I’m racist for taking offense to it that angered me further.
    A simple “We’re sorry, we didn’t know it could be construed as insulting” instead of a “we’re sorry you’re offended by this gesture which is perfectly okay to do” would have mollified me.

  • Gracie // February 18, 2009 at 1:29 am

    Totally agree with you Gabe. Not only do they need cultural lessons, they apparently need lessons on how to apologize.

  • José // February 18, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    Dear AA,
    Why the @#$& did you copy and paste all that stuff from Wikipedia? You might as well just have given us the link! Whatever you do, I really don’t understand the purpose of all that rant.

  • José // March 5, 2009 at 11:57 am

    Dear Tad Nathaniel (462),
    Your comparison makes no sense, it’s just cheap demagogy. Try again.

  • José // March 5, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    Dear Jimmy Page (448, 469, 472),
    Your arguments are so overwhelming!

  • José // March 5, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    “Chinga tu madre?” (477)
    Jimmy Page, you’re getting funnier and funnier! Do you realize the size of the Atlantic Ocean between Spain and Mexico? Or should I say: do you know where Mexico and Spain are?

  • Un chino // March 6, 2009 at 2:34 am

    Mirad, yo soy chino y conozco bastante bien la cultura española y no me siento ofendido por este gesto. Yo sinceramente pienso que no es más que un malentendido. Además estos ya han pedido disculpas. Pero lo que no puede ser es que los anglos (que pretenden no ser racistas pero en realidad lo son hasta el culo) apliquen sus normas de “political correctness” a los españoles. ¿Quién coño se han creído que son para decir a todo el mundo cómo tienen que comportarse?
    ¡Viva España! (Y repito, sí, SOY UN CHINO)

  • João // March 6, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    I dont think this picture is racist. In my oppinion this is a original way of telling spaniards that their basketball national team is playing in China in the Olimpic Games.

  • José // March 11, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    NYPD’s Racist Tactics Exposed
    Ten years after the shooting of Amadou Diallo and subsequent public outcry against racial profiling, the New York Police Department continues to disproportionately target blacks and Latinos.
    According to the New York Civil Liberties Union and Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) report, the NYPD stopped 543,982 individuals in 2008, more than 80 percent of whom were black or Latino.
    Whites, who make up 44 percent of the city’s population, made up only 10 percent of those stopped and questioned.
    In the last year of the Mayor Rudolph Giuliani administration, police stopped 86,705 individuals in 2001. The 2008 total represents a 71,886-stop increase from the 2007 total of 472,096 stops and is 15 percent higher than the 2005 to 2007 average of 459,000 stops per year.
    The report notes the disparity in frisking after stops: Between 2005 and June 2008, only 8 percent of whites stopped were also frisked, while 85 percent of blacks and Latinos who were stopped were also frisked.
    The number of stops is on the rise despite the police’s own data that show that almost 90 percent of those stopped over the past three years were never charged with a crime. Only 2 percent of stops resulted in recovery of weapons or contraband. Furthermore, according to the CCR, “Police stops-and-frisks without reasonable suspicion violate the Fourth Amendment, and racial profiling is a violation of fundamental rights and protections of the Fourteenth Amendment and the Civil Rights Act of 1964.”
    While the NYPD continues to deny allegations of profiling based on race, City Council member Charles Barron (D-East New York) told The Indypendent that the data “validates what activists have been saying now for decades: the police are out of control. This report is an important tool to make the case that the police … freely profile, harass and brutalize people. This is real, its not race-baiting that activists are making up.”
    TEN YEARS AFTER THE DIALLO KILLING
    The Feb. 4, 1999, shooting of Diallo — an unarmed West African immigrant who was killed outside his Bronx home in a barrage of 41 bullets fired by four undercover police officers — galvanized a wave of protests against police brutality of the Giuliani administration. More than 1,700 people, including many of the city’s elected black and Latino officials, were arrested for engaging in acts of civil disobedience.
    A subsequent federal investigation concluded the NYPD’s Street Crimes Unit engaged in racial profiling. Public pressure forced the city to officially ban the practice. As part of a case filed by the CCR in response to the Diallo killing, the NYPD was required to keep stop-and-frisk data.
    A new lawsuit, Floyd v. The City of New York, was filed in January 2008, and in September a federal judge ordered the police to release all of the past 10 years worth of stop-and-frisk data.
    “The vast majority of stops are police initiated,” said CCR Staff Attorney Darius Charney. “Police are in certain neighborhoods and on their own initiative they decide to stop someone.” Charney also said that police data shows the least common reason for an NYPD stop was encountering an individual who fit a description of a suspect.
    While Charney states that he doesn’t “want to assume bad intentions on the part of the police,” he argues that, “whatever the motivation, profiling is simply not an effective crime fighting strategy. And its continued use is building a lot of distrust in between police and community.”
    Barron believes that the latest stop-and-frisk revelations highlight Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s failings as a city leader.
    “Bloomberg has a protectionist policy,” Barron said. “It allows his commissioner to violate the law without reprimanding him or changing policies. The police have set up ‘impact zones’ and Bloomberg has allowed for police containment and harassment instead of job creation or economic development. He chooses to build more prisons and increase police presence while denying economic job creation — 40 to 50 percent of black men in New York City are unemployed.”
    The CCR report recommends the NYPD enforce existing reporting requirements and that the city expand the power and the scope of the Civilian Complaint Review Board, which currently investigates complaints of police misconduct, but has no enforcement powers.
    For the full CCR report, see ccrjustice.org/criminal-justiceand-mass-incarceration.

  • Raph88 // March 11, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    is this stupid discussion still going on? with the all the effort and research used up here we could have created the ultimate anti-racist organisation and eradicated racism from august till now. get a life people.

  • José // March 12, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    I thought racism was one of the worst feelings a person could bear in their heart, until I read this… (I don’t know what to call it, but I don’t think it’s a person) using the name of Jimmy Page to say that the best thing that has happened in Spain is the Spanair plane crash (480) and then he makes fun of all the families that suffered the tragedy and says that he hopes there’s another plane crash (482). With his previous comments I thought he was pathetic misunderstanding Mexican and Spanish vocabulary, but now he just makes me sick. I totally despise the replies given by “To jimjams page-boy”, but maybe he has found a very good word to describe that behaviour: MANIAC.

  • José // March 18, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Dear Marina (488 & 489),
    Very good articles, although I very much doubt that most people writing in this forum will be willing to read anything that doesn’t comply with their point of view. “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his way of life depends on not understanding it” (Upton Sinclair).
    I specially liked the sentence “many Spaniards don’t know how to identify racism when they see it”; I think it summarises all this misunderstanding we have here. I also liked a lot “it implies that the only cultures not worth learning about are inferior cultures”, because it depicts the attitude of most people writing here, who know nothing about Spain, don’t care about such ignorance and even boast of it, repeating their “Spain Third World” mantra again and again. It’s funny how this sentence acts as a boomerang, hitting them on the head with their own accusations of racism.
    As for sport (especially football) hooligans, they usually adduce that they’re not racist, that they do their racist chants, wear their racist costumes and throw their bananas and peanuts just to distract the players from the opposite team. In my view, if they had the faintest trace of a non-racist attitude, or at least a little bit of sense of shame, they would completely refrain from such stupid behaviour. They will also claim that they do it because they get carried away as members of the masses, which doesn’t say much about their pride and their intelligence. In Europe, sport is the haven of losers, vandals, xenophobes and retards (again, especially football which, on the other hand, is such a boring sport! – Could that be the reason why they resort to violence, just out of boredom?)

  • evilgenius314 // September 26, 2009 at 6:38 am

    spaniards think they are pure blood aryans. Wrong! theyre nothing but mutts and sp*cs as far as im concerned. read their history if you dare challenge me.

  • Jonathan // January 15, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Good one evilgenius!
    I lived in Madrid for 5 years because, unfortunately, my mother and siblings live there. I can say with absolute conviction having lived there for an extended period of time that the Spanish in Madrid, especially the women, are some of the most rascist, classist, ethnocentric, arrogant people in the world.
    Living in Madrid for a white, nordic looking man like myself, was like living in prison. The women in Madrid are such fucking cunts! They wont even look at you or make eye contact and inevitably the next question after; De donde eres? is; cuando te vas! And its not because they are interested in knowing if you will be around for a while. Its because the cunts dont want you living in their country. They dont like us there. I can only imagine what it must be like for Black Africans or Morrocans?!
    In fairness, Spanish men are not so bad. The real rascism in Spain comes from the matriarchical women!

  • Dana // April 9, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    I so agree with you. No eye contact, no hello, nothing. If you visit any office in Spain people don’t even say good day, how are you? Never ever heard it. If you say it first, you get no response. Try to order something, cranky faces, that throw your food on the table and they are gone before you can say thank you. So full of themselves, but their education level is one of the worst in Europe. They have no knowledge of what is going on in the world,speak no other language except their own dialect, are rude and ignorant. My boyfriend is English and they asked him many times. why there are so many blacks in English sports teams. Lived there because of my job, my God! What a country full of ignorant people that have ABSOLUTELY nothing to be proud of. Nothing important comes out of Spain except living off of EU money and having inefficient siesta’s all day. What a waste of time. Everybody knows that when you work hard all day you can go home earlier, not the Spaniards, you take a nap first, than go to work and then hope that you are efficient (that late!) . It costs the Union a lot of money!

  • Hanna // April 26, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Spanish people just don’t understand. You guys think that just because you guys are white and “superior” to everyone, you can make stupid racist comments/actions and it all ends up being a “joke”.
    Yes, there are some Spaniards that are polite and respectful, but after my fifth year in Spain, I can fully conclude that Spain really is full of people that think they are on top of the ladder and all Asians, African-Americans, Latinos are below them.
    You guys can’t even differ Japanese people from Chinese people and when I point it out, Spanish people just shrug and say, “who cares? They look the same… Them and their stupid ching chong language.” (Yes, I’ve heard this about eight times so far).
    The most dignifying response to all this would have been to apologize immediately, but even that doesn’t happen. Instead, you guys just drag it on, blaming others and claiming they were making a “goofy face” and didn’t mean any harm. Grow up please.

  • David // July 13, 2010 at 3:32 am

    Look im Asian and its pretty simple wat their doing … They’re tryin to intimidate the Chinese team and try and put em off b4 they verse each other but the way they did it is kinda offensive to those (including me) who live in a Western society i.e. Australia, America, UK etc. Different values and culture?

  • Orange // March 13, 2011 at 1:38 am

    Spain is a racist piece of crap country. You need to keep your wallet in your front pockets because there are pickpockets everywhere. Barbaric thugs, get an education and learn some class then maybe your country wouldn’t be such a sh!thole.

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