French Faux Pas

Domenech: Ireland are like the England B team

Oh dear

Many stars. And Raymond Domenech

Never one to shy away from a faux pas (or its French equivalent…), French clown and part-time boss Raymond Domenech has today declared the following:

“The advantage is that everyone knows them. They are a sort of England B side. They all play in the English league so all our players know them: some of our players play alongside them, while others against them. There will be no surprises. We know what to expect and we know what we have to do.”

If ever there is a nation not to confuse with England, it’s probably the Irish, not a group who by and large, take their nationalist separatism lightly. But it does raise the question, are Ireland actually the England B team? Would anyone bar Shay Given get a game for Capello’s men? Leave us your thoughts below…

16 responses so far
  • Paul // October 20, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Ok based on talent and maybe some on past reputation…Given would take it…Duff proly would get the left wing berth…Robbie Keane would make the squad…Ireland Kilbane Dunne Doyle McGeady would be decent bet for the B team though…yeap

  • L // October 20, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    Everyone knows that yo never refer to the irish, scottish of welsh as english if you don’t want to get battered. It’s like refering the Canadians as Americans and the Portuguese as Spanish – you just don’t do it, even by accident. All the unwitting french manager has done here is fire up the irish to make a real go of the upset. hopefully in the next month things will be said to fire up bonsia-herz and slovenia and add some spice to the overly predictable wc playoffs and who knows, perhaps this disgracefully late seeding system by fifa just introduced so they can get their ‘stars’ in the main event will bit them on the backside – here’s hoping for at least one shock result!

  • Paul // October 20, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    Given, Keane, Duff and maybe Stephan Ireland probably would have been considered at some point over the past few seasons. Mainly because in goal and on the left wing England have had real problems for a long time now. To be honest I doubt many of the others players (with the exception of Richard Dunne) would even make England’s B team.

  • AP // October 20, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    Read the sentence after the one in bold and you’ll see what Domenech was actually saying…

  • John // October 20, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    Yes, but AP…would that not mean that the Irish would also know them?
    I understand the French are a pompus people, but that is saying alot. To think that their players would know them, and the Irish players would know nothing.

  • adam // October 20, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    im insulted were good in the same way carragher was…heart can make an average player a great1 which is wat happens wen the lads pull on the green jersey!im glad shay keeps gettin a mention prob bcause england have never produced a more talented professional keeper and i hope never fr the seedings…id love it if we told sepp wher to go…absolute joke

  • Conor // October 21, 2009 at 12:42 am

    It’s definitly a pin-to-the-dressing-room-wall type quote but I’d be surpirised if we needed any further motivation. I can understand why the question of Irish players making the England team is asked given that the majority ply their trade in England, but I also think it’s an irrelevant distraction.

    Ireland’s strength has always been that it’s whole is more than the sum of it’s parts. While England have a team packed with individual superstars there is something wrong going on in that they haven’t made it to a major final in 26 attempts.

    On paper they have had teams certainly capable of making a final since then and even winning it, but as a wise man once said, football is played on grass, not paper.

  • alan // October 21, 2009 at 10:34 am

    AP – your a tw*t

  • John Paul // October 21, 2009 at 11:16 am

    guys this guy is a clown, i have friends who are french and rang striaght away to say how they were going to beat us!!! they’re arrogant, its their way, but Irish people are very proud, example our amateur national sports HQ hold 83,000 ppl. anyway on the plus side, france are still living on past glory, why can’t we give them a game, no one else could beat us competivetly!!!!

  • Delboy Dublin // October 21, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    AP: Try and defend what he said about Irish fans then, when he told French fans to make sure and buy up all the tickets they could for the Paris leg because if they didn’t “the other side would get on the internet & buy them themselves… and you know what the British are like!”
    The man is a complete knob

  • Simon // October 21, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    If Carlsberg did motivational talks for your opposition then this would be it!!! What a tool he is…this speech should be nailed onto our dressing room door to get the boys going….COME ON IRELAND!!!!!!!!

  • Heywood Jablome // October 21, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    To be fair to the man, he never actually said the Irish team was like ‘an England B team’ at all.

    ‘Angleterre bis’ means ‘another England’ or ‘the same as England’, not England B, so in a way he was actually paying us a backhanded compliment by comparing us to a team that qualified with ease for SA 2010….

    He’s a right knob for referring to us fans as ‘British’ though (the shame, the shame!)…

  • Simon bis // October 21, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    Hey All,

    I’m a French guy who’s lived in the UK for 5 years before starting a football website in France last year.

    As much as I really dislike Domenech and think he is a clown who has never managed to win a single trophy despite having all the great generation when he was managing France under 21, what he said wasn’t “B side” but “bis” which means “equivalent”.

    So that wasn’t patronising, just very very clumsy. But we all know he’s an ass anyway.

    I’m writing a daily media review on my website and everyone agrees in France that this is the toughest draw possible, that the Irish are right to be pissed off with FIFA and that gives them extra motivation. 95% of the papers and websites also say both teams have the same chance to go through.

    The big worry is that the Irish fans are more dedicated to their national teams, will fight harder to get tickets, and might be louder than the french support in Paris.


    good luck.

  • MwepuLlunga // October 21, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    Doesn’t Croke Park hold 90,000. Given would be England No1 and Ireland would get squad. The rest on current form wouldn’t get near the B team.

  • mike // October 22, 2009 at 2:17 am

    I don’t think he said Ireland were England B, he said Ireland are the same as England, as we know how they play.

    I don’t think he said that British quote, somebody stirring things i think ;p

  • John Paul // October 22, 2009 at 8:21 am

    MwepuLlunga Croke park holds 83,000 which isn’t bad for an amateur sport pitch!!!
    i’ll agree Irish players at the moment aren’t the best but they do work well together and all no their jobs which is why we were one of 5 unbeaten teams in the group stage!!! lets hope it remains that way for the playoffs!!!!!!!!!!

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