27 responses so far

• 1 John H // Oct 9, 2008 at 4:40 pm

  how about lampard has played all his games for england in his favoured position and also scored penalties whilst gerrard has only played a handful of games in his favourite position with no penalties and has one less goal. also the fact the lampard is greedy and only looks to shoot. im sure gerrard has more assists. oh and i almost forgot, the FACT that gerrard is a well better player, so much so it makes me laugh that there is even a debate.

• 2 scousejay // Oct 9, 2008 at 4:42 pm

  Sometimes, as Fabio Capello pointed out when talking about Michael Owen, its not always about goals. Obviously goals are a huge part but so is all round general play which i think Gerrard has the advantage over Lampard. Gerrard can do everything to a very high standard, hence he has been played out of position by both club and country many times, whereas Lampard would be awful if he was played on the left or right as Gerrard has in the past. Gerrard gives the team so much more than Lampard, as well as contributing just one less goal for England than Lampard. Stats are good but dont tell the whole story.

• 3 John H // Oct 9, 2008 at 4:44 pm

  well said scouse jay!!

• 4 cliff // Oct 9, 2008 at 4:46 pm

  To Scoucer John H. BOO HOO

• 5 jturner // Oct 9, 2008 at 4:52 pm

  Actually, Lampard has more assists; also please note his superior club record. It’s not for nothing that your hero is universally known as Stevie Me. Read Martin Samuel’s columns if you want the full story.

• 6 John H // Oct 9, 2008 at 4:56 pm

  good comeback cliff, u proved me wrong, lampard must be the best player. and his superior club record, that must be for the amount of times hes picked his club up of the ground and single handely won games on his own. and to fink he only had a half a billion pound team around him.

• 7 scousejay // Oct 9, 2008 at 5:03 pm

  jturner all that you are doing is reading someone else’s opinion, personally i like to watch and make my own opinion. Like i said stats can be good but its what happens on the pitch that matters not figures and percentages. I obviously think Gerrard is great im a liverpool fan, ive been watching him since his first game, I also like Lampard and have watched him play many times (admittedly less than Gerrard) but Gerrard is a better football player who will bring much more than goals as well as plenty of them.

• 8 redman // Oct 9, 2008 at 5:04 pm

  you mugs. sg is twice the player fat frank is. faster better going forward, better at defending, all round a better player. mourino was,t stupid, even alex fergson said sg is the best. you cannot compare the 2 gerrard is class, fat frank is only good. put them both on the market real madrid barca everyone would want sg cannot say the same for fat frank, plus sg would be worth more. you cockneys just need to face up to it fat frank is not in sg league and never will be..

• 9 Ade // Oct 9, 2008 at 5:05 pm

  Statistics prove nothing! That get wheeled by those who cannot generate a decent argument. You can use whatever stats you want you can never prove Lampard is better than Gerrard for the simple reason that: Gerrard is as near a complete player as we have in England & Lampard is a greedy attacking midfielder than can do little else than shoot. Most of which go nowhere near the goal!

• 10 Jimbo // Oct 9, 2008 at 6:34 pm

  No one disputes that Lampard can score goals but only because of his unwillingness to do any of the other more mundane (but equally important) parts of the midfielder’s role. This neglect of all his other duties in pursuit of goals (and the personal glory that comes with it) is what makes him as much of a liability as an asset

• 11 Ben // Oct 9, 2008 at 10:31 pm

  Gerrard doesn’t play in his preferred role for England. If he did, he would pose much more of a threat than he does. But Frank is there before him, so Gerrard has to do something that Lampard can’t do…. Defend.

  Gerrard is a much better all round player. And if he was played in his preferred position, he would score more goals. And that’s without penalties included

• 12 Sore loser // Oct 10, 2008 at 5:13 am

  haha!
  you ever wonder why gerrard is played out of position? because capello doesnt have the balls to kick him off the team simple.
  anyways, most gerrard is a blind shooter, pointless and 90% of the time useless (141 shots 20 goals).

  Simple fact: Gerrard is too direct, and cannot fit into this england system.

• 13 Sore loser // Oct 10, 2008 at 5:14 am

  woops thats 141 shots in premiership, and 20 goals in total

• 14 adee // Oct 10, 2008 at 5:15 am

  “statistics prove nothing”

  Only if they’re against you (hypocrite) ; )

• 15 Upminster Iron // Oct 10, 2008 at 8:33 am

  jturner is right - it makes no difference if Gerrard isn’t played where he wants always for England because Lampard has a better club record when they both play where they want.

  “How many times has Lampard single-handedly won games for his club” means nothing - Rob Green has been a huge matchwinner for my club but it doesn’t mean he should be an automatic England pick. Chelsea fans could counter your point and say “How many times has Lampard handed in a transfer request because he wants to join Gerrard’s team for more money?”

• 16 Ben // Oct 10, 2008 at 10:37 am

  Oh dear. You ACTUALLY believe Lampard is better than Gerrard don’t you? Deary me. Need your heads testing.

• 17 17 // Oct 10, 2008 at 11:06 am

  hehe. maybe you should take off those red glasses and have a good look around.

• 18 Kevin // Oct 10, 2008 at 12:22 pm

  You can twist the stats any way you want to make your point, its the ones that matter that count.

  I bet gerrard has more tackles per game, more assists per game, and if you can manage to find the amount of goals per game scored in the knockout stages of tournaments (World Cup, Euro, Champions League, FA Cup etc) I reckon Stevie G has more goals too.

  Lets not forget, it doesn’t matter if you score 10 goals against Kazakhstan (no offense to them) but it matters if you can score that injury time winner against Germany in the WC Final. Gerrard can do that because hes got that never say die attitude, its not over till the whistle blows. While Lampard is a great player, I think his general mentality approaching a match and his style of play are more suited to league football and simply being the centre of attention in the midfield. You cant do that with the england midfield, you need a General who can lead the line. Thats Gerrard.

• 19 Knowlesey // Jan 6, 2009 at 3:03 am

  Gerrard has to be the better player all round he can play anywhere on the pitch the only thing that lampard beats him on is goals and although gerrard does play defensive aswell i looked into it and lampard scored 45 goals in his first 9 yrs as a professional football player from 1995 - 2003 from 2003 - present he scored 96 goals in 6 years now i dont know about you but he must of ate his corn flakes in 2003 or maybe it has something to do with the millions abramovich invested in the club its easy when you have millions of pound of talent around you ballack an the like gerrard has to put up with lucas an kuyt i could probably score more goals than alonso if i had multi million pound players around me but does that make me a better player ?

• 20 Jbs // Apr 16, 2009 at 7:46 am

  I cannot believe people are going on and on about gerrard being the more complete player and about how gerrard can defend and lampard can’t…..here are some more statistics for the people with the red glasses to ignore…this season in the premier league…lampard has made 63 tackles to gerrard’s 49 out of which he has won 40 to gerrard’s 35…that averages out to 1 tackle per half over the season for both(lampard 1 tackle per 44.58 minutes ..gerrard 1 tackle per 46.44 minutes)….Lampard has made 9 blocks to gerrard’s 1..thats a no-contest…offensively..the difference is even more prominent…
  Lampard has scored 12 ..gerrard has scored 13…but 2 out of lampard’s 12 (1/6th) and 4 out of gerrard’s 13 (almost 1/3rd) have been penalties..lampard has 9 assists to gerrard’s 6..lampard has 91 crosses to gerrard’s 101…but 28 of lampard’s (30.76%)and only 16 of gerrard’s crosses(15.8%) have been accurate….57% of lampard’s shots have been on target compared to gerrard’s 42%….5 of lampard’s goals have been winners compared to gerrard’s 2…So to sum up, statistically, lampard is fitter,scores more goals,provides more accurate crosses and provides more assists while making similar number of tackles and blocking a lot more shots. But then, dont let facts(read statistics) get in the way of your selfrighteousness and gerrard worship….

• 21 Jbs // Apr 16, 2009 at 7:59 am

  @Knowlesey….I too checked..Gerrard scored 44 in his first 9 years ..and 24 in his next two(with 6 games still left)..now i dont know about you ..maybe he had some of frank’s corn flakes …or maybe it had something to do with liverpool spending millions over the last two seasons…

• 22 Knowlesey // Apr 18, 2009 at 11:17 am

  So you have proved my point millions do help thats exactly what im getting at but still Liverpool have spent no were near what Chelsea have and your stats are biased not to mention lampard has started virtually every game for Chelsea gerrard on the other hand hasn’t not to mention he has been injured a few times so using your stats which I have not checked lampard has made more tackles but to compare them correctly you have to use minutes they’ve played otherwise you would get biased results with lampard playing more games than gerrard and gerrard coming off the bench on a few of them and why would blocking be a good stat to even use its bad news for the whole team if the attacking midfielders have to come back to help his defence not to mention lampard has started more games so his blocking could be high due to that not because he makes important tackles so that you cannot use as a stat to compare so then you go to your goals the important stat is how many goals the player brings to the table gerrard scored 13 out of 26 appearance that is 1 goal every 2 games that’s a brilliant stat for a midfielder not to mention he hasn’t played the whole 90 min in these games lampard has 31 appearance to 12 goals which is 1 goal every 2.588 that is another brilliant stat but that’s over half a game per goal more than gerrards but still even though that’s in gerrards favour you cant use it because I don’t know how many minutes each player has played but I think we can both agree gerrard has scored more goals from less appearances so your penalty stat says gerrard has 9 goals in play and lampard 10 that’s one more goal than gerrard in open play but that’s with lampard playing 5 more games and if you use gerrards ratio of 1 goal every two games he would beat lampard by 2.5 goals but that’s not a fact but I would take a bet that gerrard could defiantly score 1 or 2 goals in five games and a penalty is still a goal like if john terry would of scored the penalty in the champs league final would you say that wasn’t a real goal didn’t think so now to the crosses lampard does beat gerrard on both but I think both the lampard an gerrard stats are wrong at least I hope because both records for crossing accuracy are extremely poor so I will probably check up on them at some point and how can you sum up statistically that lampard score more goals when clearly your stats prove he doesn’t. So the only two facts we can actually use in you stats are lampard is a better crosser of the ball but gerrard scores more goals I know which stat I would rather have. But then, don’t let facts (read statistics properly) get in the way of your self-righteousness and lampard worship…. And if lampard is so good how come he isn’t in player of the year short list when gerrard is.

• 23 Jbs // Apr 19, 2009 at 2:34 pm

  @Knowlesey
  If you had read my earlier comment carefully, you would have seen that i had indeed used the number of minutes the two have played this season…lampard 1 tackle per 44.58 minutes ..gerrard 1 tackle per 46.44 minutes…Are you trying to imply that when gerrard is making tackles and blocks, it indicates that he is a better, more complete player and has the ability to defend etc. but when lampard does the same, it implies that the team is performing badly??? btw, a block means physically getting in the way of a goal-bound effort and is not the same as a tackle…implying that there is no such thing as an unimportant or less important block….people have been going on and on about gerrard’s defensive abilities and more all-round ability….but when lampard does the same, you would ignore the statistic altogether and imply that its bad news for the team that lampard is stopping goal-bound efforts??…even if that ridiculous notion were to be accepted, i still fail to understand how that doesnt reflect well on lampard…the debate here is lampard v/s gerrard..not rest of the team v/s rest of the team…you conveniently ignored the fact that lampard has 3 more assists and 3 more winners than gerrard this season (while playing 5 games more than gerrard)…in the last 10 seasons(excluding the ongoing one) that lampard and gerrard have been playing concurrently, gerrard has outscored lampard only 3 times..here are some more statistics for you to ignore..steve gerrard 328 PL appearances.68 goals …ratio(1 goal/4.82 games)…frank lampard 425 PL appearances 107 goals…ratio(1 goal/3.97 games)…..its even more impressive if you only consider the chelsea career(1 goal/3.33 games). its a no-contest there. All competitions included..gerrard 477 appearances 117 goals (ratio 1 goal/4.07 games)..lampard 595 appearances 165 goals (ratio 1 goal/3.60 games) ….again,even more impressive if you consider only the chelsea career (1 goal/3.22 games)..so your notion that gerrard scores more goals than lampard is not just untrue but also downright ridiculous and laughable..But then, dont let facts(read statistics) get in the way of your selfrighteousness and gerrard worship…..yes,millions do help…but here are some statistics from lampard’s west ham days…1 goal/4.97 appearances . compared to gerrard’s 1 goal/4.07 appearances overall..not bad when you are in a mid-table team….”And if lampard is so good how come he isn’t in player of the year short list when gerrard is”..surely you are smarter than that…you think giggs deserved to be there?…you know as well as i do..player of the year list is as much about being popular as it is about being good at what you are supposed to do…if lampard were playing for liverpool, he would have been knighted by now….once again to sum up..lampard defends just as well as gerrard….delivers better crosses than gerrard…has consistently outscored him for a decade…even when he was in a strictly mid-table team ..read(without the millions)….and i m willing to bet my money that he has provided more assists than gerrard although i do not have the numbers for career assists…I dont have red glasses like you do..but i dont need blue ones to see which player i would rather have..

• 24 Abc // Apr 20, 2009 at 6:20 am

  ^
  Don’t fight it knowlesy, just take it.

  Don’t forget that Chelsea game doesn’t revolve around Lampard as much. Unlike the Gerrard Torres system in Liverpool.

  Lampard has to go get the ball, where Liverpool play is pass to Gerrard.

• 25 Arman // Jun 6, 2009 at 12:33 pm

  Super Fankie Lampard was 2nd in the 2005 Fifa world player of the year, but Gerrard was never even in the top 5 shortlist !!
  Lampard was also 2nd in 2005 Ballon’ d Or while gerrards highest finish was 3rd !!
  AND THE MOST SIMPLE FACT OF ALL :
  WE ALL KNOW THAT LAMPARD & GERRARD BOTH PREFER NO.8 SHIRT, BUT IT WAS LAMPARD WHO WAS GIVEN NO.8 BY ENGLAND, BECAUSE HE’S MORE IMPORTANT & BETTER THAN GERRARD FOR ENGLAND . PLUS LAMPARD LEADS HIM IN EVERY SORT OF STATS !! LAMPARD IS THE BETTER PLAYER & I HAVE GIVEN THE MOST SIMPLE PROOFS, WHAT PROOF DO YOU GERRARD FANS HAVE HUH ?? SIR ALEX RECENTLY CALLED LAMPARD “execptional & outstanding & the best midfeilder” now give a logical arguement .
  Lamps the best !!

• 26 Andy // Nov 5, 2009 at 7:50 am

  How does this make sense “The stats don’t matter at the end of the day” Well the reason they don’t matter to you is because they are so one sided that Lampard wins in every part of the game, more goals, higher goals/shot ratio, more assists, less injury prone, more tackles, higher tackles/won ratio, higher pass success rate, the only ones who just really can’t accept this is Northerners and Chelsea-haters, I would have Frank in my team all day. He doesn’t need to defend like Gerrard cause Chelsea aren’t a 1-man-team. Simple. We have defenders to defend.. Attacking midfielders attack.. I would of thought this was obvious?

  Really, they are both class players.. But Lampard wins by far. I laugh really hard at the liverpool fans that laugh about it as if Gerrard is far better.. when he is infact behind Lampard always.

• 27 NOEL // Dec 30, 2009 at 7:30 am

  the fact that lampard rarely gets injured and plays most of the games for chelsea and england under appretiates his performance . lampard has scored 20 goals in the last 5 seasons which gerrad has not achieved . he has been the highest scoring midfielder over the last few seasons,which gerrad isn’t and that makes lampard better than gerrad.